美国国家公共电台 NPR--Rep. Stephanie Murphy on what to expect during today's Jan. 6 hearing

Rep. Stephanie Murphy on what to expect during today's Jan. 6 hearing

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NPR's Rachel Martin talks to Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-FL) about today's Jan. 6 House committee hearing on links between former President Donald Trump²'s inner circle and extremist groups.

RACHEL MARTIN, HOST:

Representative Stephanie Murphy of Florida will co-lead today's hearing with her fellow Democrat³ Jamie Raskin of Maryland. And she joins us now. Congresswoman Murphy, thank you so much for being here.

STEPHANIE MURPHY: It's great to be with you.

MARTIN: So we heard that clip from your colleague, Congressman⁴ Raskin, talking about the centrality of this tweet from former President Trump that came on December 19th of 2019, saying it's going to be wild, calling his supporters to the Capitol on January 6. Do you have evidence beyond that that links the former president to these right-wing groups that ended up overrunning the Capitol?

MURPHY: Well, I think, you know, you have to tune⁵ in to today's hearing to look at the evidence that we will lay out. But I think the key thing to remember is that in all of our hearings, we are providing the evidence and the facts that we have about the activities that led up to January 6 and are inviting⁶ the American people to make judgment⁷ for themselves whether the president or others acted in a way that is commensurate with their - the obligations and duties they have to the Constitution.

MARTIN: With how much certainty can you say in this moment that former President Trump knew his supporters who were marching on the Capitol that day were armed and dangerous?

MURPHY: I think in the last hearing, you saw the evidence that we had that the president and the White House senior staff understood that the crowd was armed. They also understood that there was a potential for violence and had been warned of that in the days before January 6, in addition to being told that many of the folks couldn't go through the magnetometers because they were armed.

MARTIN: So you're saying you're 100% certain that the president knew?

MURPHY: We have evidence and people who provided testimony⁸ that the president knew.

MARTIN: I want to ask about Steve Bannon. He's former President Trump's chief strategist. He is expected to go on trial next week for contempt of Congress after months of refusing the panel's request to come testify. He's now indicated that he will show up at a public hearing. Do you consider him to be an honest broker⁹?

MURPHY: You know, our committee has said from the beginning that we're interested in testimony from anyone with relevant information on our investigation¹⁰. But, you know, and Mr. Bannon was somebody who was a key player in Trump's inner circle and would give valuable insights. However, from the start, he has been playing games with the committee. And while I would welcome him to come and do the patriotic¹¹ thing, our committee will not serve as a platform for his misinformation.

MARTIN: Has he handed over any documents preliminary to his testimony?

MURPHY: We don't comment specifically on the investigative material in our investigative process.

MARTIN: Former White House counsel Pat Cipollone was someone that your committee had wanted to talk with for a long time. He testified behind closed doors last week. How did his testimony fill in the picture of what happened on January 6, 2021?

MURPHY: Mr. Cipollone provided valuable testimony about virtually every aspect of President Trump's efforts to change the outcome of a free election and block the transfer of power. He was in the White House in those final days and weeks before January 6. And I think today, if you tune in, you'll see much of what he told us.

MARTIN: Will we see video from that testimony?

MURPHY: I think you will see video from that, as well as with other White House aides who were there for these conversations. And we'll really try to take you into the White House, into the room, so to speak, around some of these conversations that were happening in the runup to January 6.

MARTIN: Based on what you have learned to this point, is the committee likely to issue a criminal referral to the Justice Department related to former President Trump?

MURPHY: We're not done with our investigation yet. And our purpose is creating legislation and legislative¹² recommendations. And it appears to me that the Department of Justice doesn't need a official criminal referral from us. In fact, it appears that they are escalating¹³ their criminal investigations¹⁴ and their prosecutions¹⁵. And I believe that anyone who committed a crime needs to be held accountable. And it looks like the Department of Justice is moving forward on that.

MARTIN: Do you believe President Trump committed a crime?

MURPHY: I think that the purpose of this committee is to lay out all the evidence and the fact and let the American people judge for themselves whether or not the president was morally fit for the job and also to warn against other future efforts, whether they're Democratic or Republican, to try to unilaterally change the outcome of our Democratic elections.

MARTIN: Your committee originally planned to meet Thursday night, as well. Why has that hearing been rescheduled?

MURPHY: As you can imagine, we have interviewed over a thousand people. We've had tens of thousands of documents, and we continue to interview new witnesses and collect new information. Our investigation is very fluid, and so the scheduling of our investigations are often an effort for us to be able to incorporate the most important pieces of information so that the American people have a full picture of what happened on January 6.

MARTIN: So what does that mean? Did a witness drop out? What was the problem?

MURPHY: We have a lot of new information that we want to incorporate and make that hearing a hearing that is illuminating¹⁶ for the American people.

MARTIN: Stephanie Murphy is a Democratic congresswoman from Florida who serves on the January 6 Committee. Thank you for your time.

MURPHY: Great to be with you.

1 transcript   

n.抄本，誊本，副本，肄业证书

参考例句：

• A transcript of the tapes was presented as evidence in court.一份录音带的文字本作为证据被呈交法庭。
• They wouldn't let me have a transcript of the interview.他们拒绝给我一份采访的文字整理稿。

2 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

3 democrat   

n.民主主义者，民主人士；民主党党员

参考例句：

• The Democrat and the Public criticized each other.民主党人和共和党人互相攻击。
• About two years later,he was defeated by Democrat Jimmy Carter.大约两年后，他被民主党人杰米卡特击败。

4 Congressman   

n.（美）国会议员

参考例句：

• He related several anecdotes about his first years as a congressman.他讲述自己初任议员那几年的几则轶事。
• The congressman is meditating a reply to his critics.这位国会议员正在考虑给他的批评者一个答复。

5 tune   

n.调子；和谐，协调；v.调音，调节，调整

参考例句：

• He'd written a tune,and played it to us on the piano.他写了一段曲子，并在钢琴上弹给我们听。
• The boy beat out a tune on a tin can.那男孩在易拉罐上敲出一首曲子。

6 inviting   

adj.诱人的，引人注目的

参考例句：

• An inviting smell of coffee wafted into the room.一股诱人的咖啡香味飘进了房间。
• The kitchen smelled warm and inviting and blessedly familiar.这间厨房的味道温暖诱人，使人感到亲切温馨。

7 judgment   

n.审判；判断力，识别力，看法，意见

参考例句：

• The chairman flatters himself on his judgment of people.主席自认为他审视人比别人高明。
• He's a man of excellent judgment.他眼力过人。

8 testimony   

n.证词；见证，证明

参考例句：

• The testimony given by him is dubious.他所作的证据是可疑的。
• He was called in to bear testimony to what the police officer said.他被传入为警官所说的话作证。

9 broker   

n.中间人，经纪人；v.作为中间人来安排

参考例句：

• He baited the broker by promises of higher commissions.他答应给更高的佣金来引诱那位经纪人。
• I'm a real estate broker.我是不动产经纪人。

10 investigation   

n.调查，调查研究

参考例句：

• In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
• He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。

11 patriotic   

adj.爱国的，有爱国心的

参考例句：

• His speech was full of patriotic sentiments.他的演说充满了爱国之情。
• The old man is a patriotic overseas Chinese.这位老人是一位爱国华侨。

12 legislative   

n.立法机构，立法权；adj.立法的，有立法权的

参考例句：

• Congress is the legislative branch of the U.S. government.国会是美国政府的立法部门。
• Today's hearing was just the first step in the legislative process.今天的听证会只是展开立法程序的第一步。

13 escalating   

v.（使）逐步升级( escalate的现在分词 )；（使）逐步扩大；（使）更高；（使）更大

参考例句：

• The cost of living is escalating. 生活费用在迅速上涨。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The cost of living is escalating in the country. 这个国家的生活费用在上涨。 来自辞典例句

14 investigations   

（正式的）调查( investigation的名词复数 )； 侦查； 科学研究； 学术研究

参考例句：

• His investigations were intensive and thorough but revealed nothing. 他进行了深入彻底的调查，但没有发现什么。
• He often sent them out to make investigations. 他常常派他们出去作调查。

15 prosecutions   

起诉( prosecution的名词复数 )； 原告； 实施； 从事

参考例句：

• It is the duty of the Attorney-General to institute prosecutions. 检察总长负责提起公诉。
• Since World War II, the government has been active in its antitrust prosecutions. 第二次世界大战以来，政府积极地进行着反对托拉斯的检举活动。 来自英汉非文学 - 政府文件

16 illuminating   

a.富于启发性的，有助阐明的

参考例句：

• We didn't find the examples he used particularly illuminating. 我们觉得他采用的那些例证启发性不是特别大。
• I found his talk most illuminating. 我觉得他的话很有启发性。