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Trump¹ and Pence give separate speeches to try to appeal to their GOP bases

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NPR's A Martinez talks to GOP strategist Scott Jennings about former President Donald Trump and former Vice³ President Mike Pence, who returned to the nation's capital to give dueling⁴ speeches.

A MART?NEZ, HOST:

Former President Donald Trump and former Vice President Mike Pence both returned to the nation's capital to give dueling speeches yesterday, both speeches suggesting the men are seeking the GOP spotlight⁵ ahead of 2024. Scott Jennings listened to both speeches yesterday. He's a Republican strategist and a MORNING EDITION regular. Scott, what's the one big thing you took away from all of it?

SCOTT JENNINGS: Well, the big thing is how remarkable⁶ it is that a vice president to a president is going to run against his old boss. It's obvious Mike Pence is running. And his main message was, we have to think about the future. And, of course, Donald Trump's message, at least most of the time, is, we need to relitigate the past. And right now, Donald Trump is on top of Mike Pence. And Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, is between them. But this campaign is happening, and I guess we'll see how it turns out over the next couple of years.

MART?NEZ: Well, I was going to save that for later, but why not? You brought it up - Ron DeSantis. The whole time, Scott, I'm wondering, what does Ron DeSantis think of all this? So what do you think he thought of all this?

JENNINGS: Well, he has the advantage on Mike Pence right now in the polling. He's on top of Mike Pence of the non-Trump candidates who are seeking the nomination⁷. And he probably thinks it's a good thing for Mike Pence to be in the race to some degree because Pence's message is that we need to be conservatives, but we need to move on from Donald Trump. And that's what DeSantis needs Republican voters to think. But it may - he may prefer someone else to say that instead of him at the moment. And that's what Mike Pence is doing.

MART?NEZ: All right, let's get to some of the speeches. Donald Trump focused partly on taking a harder line on crime. Let's listen to that.

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DONALD TRUMP: We need an all-out effort to defeat violent crime in America and strongly defeat it and be tough and be nasty and be mean if we have to.

MART?NEZ: Scott, what you think the strategy is behind turning his attention to that issue?

JENNINGS: Well, violent crime in American cities is a huge issue for Republicans right now. I thought it was noteworthy, frankly⁸, that Trump spent some time on an agenda item other than relitigating 2020. And so I would say what he said yesterday will resonate with quite a few Republican voters, even people who are nervous about rolling the dice⁹ on a candidacy that's lost the national popular vote in the last two elections. That issue will resonate. Trump's always been good at finding those kinds of issues that resonate among base Republicans. I think he probably hit on one yesterday.

MART?NEZ: All right, Mike Pence. Mike Pence talked about America's future in his remarks.

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MIKE PENCE: Now, some people may choose to focus on the past, but elections are about the future. And I believe conservatives must focus on the future to win back America.

MART?NEZ: Scott, some people? Who's some people, you think?

JENNINGS: Oh, it's quite clear some people is Donald Trump. And if you listen to Pence's speech, he checked every box a conservative would want to check - strong national defense¹⁰, pro-life, protect the Second Amendment¹¹. So he hit all the issues. I think the question for Pence is, are Republican voters interested in his kind of candidacy? I mean, he's not exactly Mr. Excitement out on the stump¹². And he's not - he's never been as good as - at the performative aspects of politics that Trump kind of perfected and that - like, Ron DeSantis and others have sort of emulated¹³ in the years since.

MART?NEZ: Yeah, that's the thing with Mike Pence. We kind of know where he stands on a lot of things. But if the GOP is a different kind of party - if it's indeed and still is Donald Trump's party - then he maybe doesn't have the pizzazz that it requires.

JENNINGS: Yeah, there's an attitude. There's an emotional aspect. There's a performative aspect to Republican politics right now. And it's also wrapped up in having all the right enemies. You know, that's one of the things Republican voters liked about Donald Trump. He had all the right enemies, whether it was the right Democratic enemies or the national media or what have you. DeSantis, as we discussed earlier, has a knack¹⁴ for having all the right enemies, too. Pence has never really shown that instinct, and that's where he may come up short if you're looking at attributes for these candidacies.

MART?NEZ: Now, these speeches came just after the January 6 committee laid out the events on that day and the contrasting reactions both men had of the rioters and the counting of the votes. Do you think those hearings, Scott, played any role in the approaches - in the speech approaches by Donald Trump and Mike Pence?

JENNINGS: Well, I think, first of all, Mike Pence deserves a lot of respect from Republicans, whether he gets the nomination or not. He stood up to the mob, he stood up to the intimidation¹⁵ and he stood for the rule of law. And so he always will deserve Republican and American respect for that. I do think Trump's speech about law and order is something of a reaction to what happened to the Capitol Police on January 6. I mean, it's hard to reconcile Trump's message on law and order with what his mob did to the police officers who were bravely defending the Capitol. So I think there could be some...

MART?NEZ: How does he square that, do you think? How does he square that?

JENNINGS: Well, I mean, the way he would square it - and I'm speaking purely¹⁶ for him because I don't believe this. But the way he would square it is that the actions of January 6, that the attitude around January 6, is justified¹⁷, that people were angry, and they were justified in what they did. I'm sure that's how he would square it. But you can't watch that video and not be vibratingly angry as a Republican, in my opinion, about what happened to the police officers who were overrun, who were attacked, who were beaten that day. I mean, it's really terrible. And he'll never be able to wash that off because it's on video. We all watched it live, and we've all watched it on a loop since that happened.

MART?NEZ: Scott, one more thing before I let you go. According to The Washington Post, the Department of Justice is investigating Donald Trump as part of a criminal probe involving an effort to overturn the election - the 2020 elections. And it's important because no former president has ever been charged with a crime. What do you make of this latest development?

JENNINGS: Well, I'm not surprised. I've always thought perhaps the Georgia electoral investigation¹⁸ was more dangerous to Donald Trump. I'm not a lawyer. I've listened to a lot of lawyers on this, and they've always considered a federal indictment¹⁹ to be a longer shot. But certainly it's better to not be under investigation by the feds than it is. So he's obviously in the crosshairs. And, you know, there's certainly a lot of evidence out there for them to look at. These hearings have been damaging to Trump. Even Republicans who supported him, voted for him twice, are having second thoughts about getting someone the nomination who violated his oath of office on January the 6.

MART?NEZ: Republican strategist Scott Jennings. Scott, thanks as always.

JENNINGS: Thank you.

1 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

2 transcript   

n.抄本，誊本，副本，肄业证书

参考例句：

• A transcript of the tapes was presented as evidence in court.一份录音带的文字本作为证据被呈交法庭。
• They wouldn't let me have a transcript of the interview.他们拒绝给我一份采访的文字整理稿。

3 vice   

n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的

参考例句：

• He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
• They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。

4 dueling   

n. 决斗, 抗争(=duelling) 动词duel的现在分词形式

参考例句：

• More light-hearted But somewhat puzzled, Vladimir prepared to meet Eugene on the dueling ground. 弗拉基米尔心里轻松了一些，但仍感到有些困惑，在这种心情下，他准备去决斗场地迎战叶甫盖尼。 来自英汉 - 翻译样例 - 文学
• They had been dueling for hours and finally called a draw. 他们一直决斗了数小时，最后打成平局。

5 spotlight   

n.公众注意的中心，聚光灯，探照灯，视听，注意，醒目

参考例句：

• This week the spotlight is on the world of fashion.本周引人瞩目的是时装界。
• The spotlight followed her round the stage.聚光灯的光圈随着她在舞台上转。

6 remarkable   

adj.显著的，异常的，非凡的，值得注意的

参考例句：

• She has made remarkable headway in her writing skills.她在写作技巧方面有了长足进步。
• These cars are remarkable for the quietness of their engines.这些汽车因发动机没有噪音而不同凡响。

7 nomination   

n.提名，任命，提名权

参考例句：

• John is favourite to get the nomination for club president.约翰最有希望被提名为俱乐部主席。
• Few people pronounced for his nomination.很少人表示赞成他的提名。

8 frankly   

adv.坦白地，直率地；坦率地说

参考例句：

• To speak frankly, I don't like the idea at all.老实说，我一点也不赞成这个主意。
• Frankly speaking, I'm not opposed to reform.坦率地说，我不反对改革。

9 dice   

n.骰子；vt.把（食物）切成小方块，冒险

参考例句：

• They were playing dice.他们在玩掷骰子游戏。
• A dice is a cube.骰子是立方体。

10 defense   

n.防御，保卫；[pl.]防务工事；辩护，答辩

参考例句：

• The accused has the right to defense.被告人有权获得辩护。
• The war has impacted the area with military and defense workers.战争使那个地区挤满了军队和防御工程人员。

11 amendment   

n.改正，修正，改善，修正案

参考例句：

• The amendment was rejected by 207 voters to 143.这项修正案以207票对143票被否决。
• The Opposition has tabled an amendment to the bill.反对党已经就该议案提交了一项修正条款。

12 stump   

n.残株，烟蒂，讲演台；v.砍断，蹒跚而走

参考例句：

• He went on the stump in his home state.他到故乡所在的州去发表演说。
• He used the stump as a table.他把树桩用作桌子。

13 emulated   

v.与…竞争( emulate的过去式和过去分词 )；努力赶上；计算机程序等仿真；模仿

参考例句：

• The havoc that months had previously wrought was now emulated by the inroads of hours. 前几个月已经使他垮下来，如今更是一小时一小时地在恶化。 来自辞典例句
• The key technology emulated by CAD and the circuit is showed. 对关键技术进行了仿真，给出了电路实现形式。 来自互联网

14 knack   

n.诀窍，做事情的灵巧的，便利的方法

参考例句：

• He has a knack of teaching arithmetic.他教算术有诀窍。
• Making omelettes isn't difficult,but there's a knack to it.做煎蛋饼并不难，但有窍门。

15 intimidation   

n.恐吓，威胁

参考例句：

• The Opposition alleged voter intimidation by the army.反对党声称投票者受到军方的恐吓。
• The gang silenced witnesses by intimidation.恶帮用恐吓的手段使得证人不敢说话。

16 purely   

adv.纯粹地，完全地

参考例句：

• I helped him purely and simply out of friendship.我帮他纯粹是出于友情。
• This disproves the theory that children are purely imitative.这证明认为儿童只会单纯地模仿的理论是站不住脚的。

17 justified   

a.正当的，有理的

参考例句：

• She felt fully justified in asking for her money back. 她认为有充分的理由要求退款。
• The prisoner has certainly justified his claims by his actions. 那个囚犯确实已用自己的行动表明他的要求是正当的。

18 investigation   

n.调查，调查研究

参考例句：

• In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
• He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。

19 indictment   

n.起诉；诉状

参考例句：

• He handed up the indictment to the supreme court.他把起诉书送交最高法院。
• They issued an indictment against them.他们起诉了他们。