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SCOTT SIMON, HOST:
"Confessions1 Of The Fox" is a mystery story enrobed in a mystery. Dr. R. Voth is depressed2 and dedicated3, a literary scholar recently discarded from a romance who has now, in his phrase, slipped off the map of the world. He slipped off to both certify4 and conceal5 a manuscript in his possession, dated 1724, that may tell the untold6 story of Jack7 Sheppard, legendary8 criminal who may have been born a woman but became the man who became a notorious and celebrated9 professional thief and jailbreak artist - and I do mean artist. Then the seeker of secrets himself becomes pursued.
"Confessions Of The Fox" is the debut10 novel of Jordy Rosenberg, a professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst where he teaches 18th-century literature and queer trans theory. He joins us from New York. Thanks so much for being with us.
JORDY ROSENBERG: Thanks for having me on.
SIMON: This is what they call speculative11 fiction these days. But there was a Jack Sheppard, wasn't there?
ROSENBERG: There was a Jack Sheppard, and many of your listeners may know that Jack Sheppard was the 18th century's most famous British prison break artist. His exploits were chronicled in John Gay's "Beggar's Opera," which was performed throughout the 18th and 19th and 20th centuries. But in the 18th century, it had the longest run that any opera had had until that point. And then Brecht did a version of John Gay's "Beggar's Opera" called "The Threepenny Opera."
SIMON: So did you imagine or infer he was born as a woman who wanted to live as Jack?
ROSENBERG: That was a fully12 speculative element, and really what I was trying to get at there was not this question about, like, the empirical case history of Jack Sheppard. Like, was he or was he not born a woman? But why is it that over the course of centuries, gender13 nonconformity gets represented as a form of deviance that is also connected with other forms of political resistance? And so you can think of it as a literalization of a metaphor14. And that's not an uncommon15 genre16 for speculative fiction these days. So you - I mean, these are not the same kind of novel in any way. But Colson Whitehead's incredible "Underground Railroad" is a literalization of a metaphor about the Underground Railroad.
SIMON: Yeah. Tell us, please, about Jack's relationship, his love for-with Bess Khan, a professional woman as used to be said.
ROSENBERG: In the source material from the period, Jack is actually connected to many different women. But over and over again, he's primarily connected to a woman who went by the name of or was given the name of Edgworth Bess, reputed to be a sex worker. And in that material, she was not represented in a very kindly17 way in the period. She was represented as kind of the person that lured18 Jack into a life of crime. And I was sort of interested in re-envisioning that, really just writing it as a love story, more of a feminist19 take where she isn't sort of this vixen that creates this perilous20 path for Jack but that there's a kind of, like, consensual and jointly21 shared hatred22 of capitalism23 that they embark24 on together.
SIMON: I think you're a little overintellectualizing the feeling they have for each other, if you catch my drift.
ROSENBERG: Oh, my. OK, that may be - yes. The author may have that tendency.
SIMON: (Laughter) Speaking as a reader...
ROSENBERG: I'm - OK. I mean there is a - they're having a queer romance. One of the things that I wanted to be able to represent was the way in which something like a transgender identity isn't just the conceptualization of a single person in a vacuum but is something that really is crafted together very intimately and lovingly often between two people. And I think I'm trying to represent the labor25 that Bess has to put in to doing that, so...
SIMON: I mean, in the interest of disclosure, this novel can be very graphic26 about all kinds of things. Let me put it that way.
ROSENBERG: There's a lot of sex in it, if that's what you're saying.
SIMON: I guess, I am, yeah - and not just sex. I mean, 18th-century London was a pungent27 place. Let me put it that way.
ROSENBERG: You know, people keep remarking on that. I just really like smell and I really like writing about scent28, whether it's what's considered to be, like, a pleasurable scent like a bodily pleasurable scent, the scent of someone else's body, or whether it's the scent of streets.
SIMON: And Dr. Voth discovers that uncovering a story from the past has current hazards, doesn't he?
ROSENBERG: Yeah. So, I mean, obviously I wanted to play off some of the resonances29 between the present and the past - right? - and the ways in which these things that we think of as sort of like imperial barbarism of the 18th century are really still with us. They just have taken different form and sometimes not so different form.
SIMON: Do you think there's a lot of history that can be rewritten or at least reimagined through the eyes of people who - if I might put it this way - had to live in the shadows, who were overlooked and discounted?
ROSENBERG: I think we all know that what gets archived in the official archives and what falls out is not a neutral operation. And so I guess my answer to you is, yes, necessarily so, and yes.
SIMON: Jody Rosenberg's novel, "Confessions Of The Fox," out Tuesday. Thanks so much for being with us.
ROSENBERG: Thanks so much, Scott.
1 confessions | |
n.承认( confession的名词复数 );自首;声明;(向神父的)忏悔 | |
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4 certify | |
vt.证明,证实;发证书(或执照)给 | |
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5 conceal | |
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6 untold | |
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7 jack | |
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11 speculative | |
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12 fully | |
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19 feminist | |
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21 jointly | |
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22 hatred | |
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23 capitalism | |
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24 embark | |
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27 pungent | |
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n.共鸣( resonance的名词复数 );(声音) 洪亮;(文章、乐曲等) 激发联想的力量;(情感)同感 | |
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