美国国家公共电台 NPR Age Isn't Everything, Says Bernie Sanders. 'It Is What You Stand For'

 

LULU GARCIA-NAVARRO, HOST:

And now to NPR's Scott Detrow, host of the NPR Politics Podcast. He spoke¹ with Vermont Senator and presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders as he campaigned in Nashua, N.H., yesterday. And he joins us now, fresh off the plane, in the studio.

Hi, Scott.

SCOTT DETROW, BYLINE²: Hey. I don't know if fresh is the right word, but good to be here. Good morning.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: (Laughter). All right, the age gap between candidates was a big part of this week's debates. Former Vice³ President Joe Biden and Sanders are both in their 70s, as you know. And several candidates are saying, hey, it's time for a new generation of leaders. What was Bernie Sanders' response?

DETROW: This has become an increasingly prevalent part of the conversation in the campaign. And Sanders got pretty animated⁴ during the debate when Congressman⁵ Eric Swalwell made that pass-the-torch comment. Even though it was directed at Biden, Sanders really wanted to respond in that moment. Nobody called on him. So I asked him what he was so eager to say.

BERNIE SANDERS: I think age is certainly something that people should look at. They should look at everything. Look at the totality of the person. Do you trust that person? Is that person honest? Do you agree with that person? What is the record of that person? But just to say, you know, I'm going to vote for somebody 'cause they're 35 or 40, and I'm not going to vote for somebody who's in their 70s, I think that's a pretty superficial answer.

DETROW: Of course, Sanders and Biden, both in their 70s, like you said. Either one of them would be the oldest president at the time of the election, which is of course a record that was just set by President Trump⁶, also in his 70s. But in the wake of Trump especially, a lot of Democratic voters are telling us they want a younger candidate, a more diverse candidate.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right, Sanders has been increasingly critical of Biden lately. But despite expectations, he didn't go after him on the debate stage. What did he say about Biden in your interview?

DETROW: I asked him directly. And he at first declined to make a direct comparison. But then, just a minute later he went on to warn that Democrats⁷ will win by increasing the turnout of younger voters, people who have missed previous elections. And he warned that a more moderate candidate might not do that. And it was pretty clear who he was talking about.

SANDERS: If we can have a 70% voter turnout in the next election, not only will we defeat Trump; we'll defeat him very badly. But you're not going to have that turnout unless the candidate has issues that excite people and energize⁸ people. That means you have to be talking about "Medicare for All." You have to be talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage of $15 an hour.

DETROW: Biden does support a $15 minimum wage. But on health care, student loan forgiveness, a lot of other policies, he just doesn't go as far as Sanders and a lot of the rest of the field.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right, and there is something that happened after your interview. Sanders and other candidates all rushed to Senator Kamala Harris' defense⁹ after Donald Trump Jr. tweeted and then deleted a post questioning whether she was authentically¹⁰ black. Explain what happened.

DETROW: Yeah, Harris is the daughter of Indian and Jamaican immigrants. And the tweet in question insinuated¹¹ that this somehow undermines her black credentials¹². Harris' campaign said this is a racist¹³ attack in the exact same vein¹⁴ as President Trump's birther campaign. But what was remarkable¹⁵ here is how basically the entire Democratic field rushed to her defense, including Joe Biden, who Harris memorably¹⁶ went after pretty hard on the debate stage, all saying this is ridiculous and racist.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: That's Scott Detrow, host of the NPR Politics Podcast. And you can hear the full interview with Bernie Sanders in the podcast feed on Monday.

Thanks, Scott.

DETROW: Thank you.

1 spoke   

n.（车轮的）辐条；轮辐；破坏某人的计划；阻挠某人的行动 v.讲，谈（speak的过去式）；说；演说；从某种观点来说

参考例句：

• They sourced the spoke nuts from our company.他们的轮辐螺帽是从我们公司获得的。
• The spokes of a wheel are the bars that connect the outer ring to the centre.辐条是轮子上连接外圈与中心的条棒。

2 byline   

n.署名；v.署名

参考例句：

• His byline was absent as well.他的署名也不见了。
• We wish to thank the author of this article which carries no byline.我们要感谢这篇文章的那位没有署名的作者。

3 vice   

n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的

参考例句：

• He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
• They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。

4 animated   

adj.生气勃勃的，活跃的，愉快的

参考例句：

• His observations gave rise to an animated and lively discussion.他的言论引起了一场气氛热烈而活跃的讨论。
• We had an animated discussion over current events last evening.昨天晚上我们热烈地讨论时事。

5 Congressman   

n.（美）国会议员

参考例句：

• He related several anecdotes about his first years as a congressman.他讲述自己初任议员那几年的几则轶事。
• The congressman is meditating a reply to his critics.这位国会议员正在考虑给他的批评者一个答复。

6 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

7 democrats   

n.民主主义者，民主人士( democrat的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• The Democrats held a pep rally on Capitol Hill yesterday. 民主党昨天在国会山召开了竞选誓师大会。
• The democrats organize a filibuster in the senate. 民主党党员组织了阻挠议事。 来自《简明英汉词典》

8 energize   

vt.给予(某人或某物)精力、能量

参考例句：

• It is used to energize the city.它的作用是为城市供给能量。
• This is a great way to energize yourself and give yourself more power!这种方法非常棒，可以激活你的能量，让你有更多的活力！

9 defense   

n.防御，保卫；[pl.]防务工事；辩护，答辩

参考例句：

• The accused has the right to defense.被告人有权获得辩护。
• The war has impacted the area with military and defense workers.战争使那个地区挤满了军队和防御工程人员。

10 authentically   

ad.sincerely真诚地

参考例句：

• Gina: And we should give him something 2 authentically Taiwanese. 吉娜：而且我们应该送他有纯正台湾味的东西。
• A loser is one who fails to correspond authentically. 失败者则指那些未能做到诚实可靠的人。

11 insinuated   

v.暗示( insinuate的过去式和过去分词 )；巧妙或迂回地潜入；（使）缓慢进入；慢慢伸入

参考例句：

• The article insinuated that he was having an affair with his friend's wife. 文章含沙射影地点出他和朋友的妻子有染。
• She cleverly insinuated herself into his family. 她巧妙地混进了他的家庭。 来自《简明英汉词典》

12 credentials   

n.证明，资格，证明书，证件

参考例句：

• He has long credentials of diplomatic service.他的外交工作资历很深。
• Both candidates for the job have excellent credentials.此项工作的两个求职者都非常符合资格。

13 racist   

n.种族主义者，种族主义分子

参考例句：

• a series of racist attacks 一连串的种族袭击行为
• His speech presented racist ideas under the guise of nationalism. 他的讲话以民族主义为幌子宣扬种族主义思想。

14 vein   

n.血管，静脉；叶脉，纹理；情绪；vt.使成脉络

参考例句：

• The girl is not in the vein for singing today.那女孩今天没有心情唱歌。
• The doctor injects glucose into the patient's vein.医生把葡萄糖注射入病人的静脉。

15 remarkable   

adj.显著的，异常的，非凡的，值得注意的

参考例句：

• She has made remarkable headway in her writing skills.她在写作技巧方面有了长足进步。
• These cars are remarkable for the quietness of their engines.这些汽车因发动机没有噪音而不同凡响。

16 memorably   

难忘的

参考例句：

• The book includes some memorably seedy characters and scabrous description. 这本书包含了一些难忘下流的角色及有伤风化的描述。 来自互联网
• Horowitz could play Chopin memorably. 霍洛维茨可以把肖邦的作品演奏得出神入化。 来自互联网