美国国家公共电台 NPR Renewable Energy Sector Remains Optimistic Amid Trump Policy Outlook（在线收听）

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Several of President-elect Donald Trump's Cabinet nominees have strong ties to oil and gas. Trump has also been clear about his support for coal. You might think that would mean renewable energy companies are feeling a bit anxious about the incoming administration. But Lauren Sommer from member station KQED reports that is not necessarily the case.

LAUREN SOMMER, BYLINE: Here's what President-elect Trump has said so far about renewables.

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DONALD TRUMP: I know a lot about solar. I love solar.

SOMMER: That was a campaign rally in California over the summer.

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TRUMP: Except there's a problem with it - got a lot of problems with it. One problem is it's so expensive.

SOMMER: That's probably enough to make most solar company executives break out in a sweat, but not Michael Wheeler at Recurrent Energy.

MICHAEL WHEELER: We're feeling as though we're going to be OK.

SOMMER: Wheeler looks genuinely calm as he says this in his San Francisco office, which has big photos of the solar farms his company builds. And the reason why? He says Trump is wrong.

WHEELER: Anybody that thinks that solar is expensive at the utility scale right now hasn't seen the latest. Solar's price, because it's a technology, will continue to go lower and lower.

SOMMER: Power from big solar projects is about 70 percent cheaper today than it was a decade ago. Wind power has also come down. That has electric utilities choosing renewables on cost alone, even in red states like Texas and Georgia.

WHEELER: Clean energy is not a niche product anymore.

SOMMER: Not to mention the Trump administration might open public lands up for development. Environmentalists don't like that, but it could make it easier for solar and wind companies to build projects. But there are a few things that Wheeler and other renewable companies are worried about. For one, they rely on long-standing tax credits.

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UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Senate will be in order.

SOMMER: They were extended in Congress last December, but Trump has complained about those subsidies. Wheeler says canceling them could hurt demand for solar and wind but wouldn't kill it. The other big issue? Obama's climate change policy, known as the Clean Power Plan, which would require states to move away from coal power. Wheeler says that would have quadrupled the market for renewables, but Trump has vowed to toss it out.

WHEELER: To have that be messaged as being dead was - was pretty heart-wrenching.

SOMMER: Still, the federal government isn't the only place policy gets made. Dan Kammen, an energy professor at UC Berkeley, says sometimes a hostile White House can energize regional efforts.

DAN KAMMEN: I think there's no question states are going to be critical. Just like under President George Bush, we saw tremendous action at the state level.

SOMMER: California is all-in on renewables. State law requires 50 percent renewable energy by 2030, and 28 other states also have goals, most of which are likely to stick around, even if the Clean Power Plan goes away. Kammen says that means the renewable energy market has momentum. It's only a question of how much.

KAMMEN: An administration can dramatically put its finger on the scale and accelerate that, or they can hold it back.

SOMMER: In the meantime, demand for renewables is growing worldwide. Kammen was recently in Dubai, where solar farms are being planned at record-low costs, a sign to him that renewables are here to stay, no matter what the next administration does. For NPR News, I'm Lauren Sommer in San Francisco.