访谈录 Interview 2007-09-03&09-05, 07全球最具影响力的100位女性（在线收听）

Ah, thank you. This morning on today’s working woman, are you on the list? Forbes magazine has the latest annual power list of the most successful and influential women in the world. And here to tell us about it is Elizabeth MacDonald, senior editor at Forbes magazine.

Good morning, Elizabeth, Good morning. fourth issue ...lapse, the fourth and, and this year ,you got a lot of women from all over the world on the list. (that’s right, we have...) it seems very global.

Yeah.We have more international women than ever before. And we have a surprising number of women from the Middle East which we’ll talk about in a minute.

Yeah, we’ll talk about that in just a minute, but let’s take a look at , I mean first of all, how do you even decide who gets to be on this list? (You know, it's a...it's...) So in the ranking, I mean you have Irene Rosenfeld, is the chairman of the Kraft Foods came in at No 9, (Right!) she is more powerful than the Queen of England who came in at 23, so what goes into it?

What we did was we set up a very complicated computer algorithm, we started crunching a lot of data putting in a lot of statistics. Because we really wanted to see the influence that women around the world are wielding. And so what we are looking at are women who are at the top or near, the top of companies, governments and non-profits around the world.

And a lot of women are running companies on this list as you mentioned. (That's right) let’s take a look (at) first starting off at NO 5, speaking of that, Indra Nooyi(That’s right ),the chief executive of PepsiCo US.

That’s right, Indra Nooyi, just added the chairman , the title of chairman to her resume of the food and beverage giant, and she wields a lot of clout around the globe.

Alright, and No 4, Condoleezza Rice ,Secretary of State

Condoleezza Rice, the first African-American woman to be US Secretary of State , she dropped a little bit in the rankings as her bosses' poll ratings have plummeted to one, (interesting) one pundit said it was around the freezing level,so,yeah, but she still ranks very high.

Okay, No 3 Ho Ching is the chief executive of Temasek Holdings in Singapore. (That’s right.)So there we are seeing that global presence.

And I mean Ho Ching happens to be very mediashy, she is also the First Lady of Singapore, Temasek holdings is a powerful investment holding company for the country of Singapore.

And No 2 on the list Wu Yi, the Vice Premier of China

Wu Yi, yes, and she stared down Henry Paulson recently, he was Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson at global economic talks, for example, in revaluing in the Yuan, she didn’t yield a bit.

Alright, and No1 on the list again, second year in a row. Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany.

Again, that's right. Angela Merkel. she is the first female Chancellor of Germany since Germany became a nation-state in 1871. Now she’s becoming more comfortable with wielding her clout. Two back-to-back global summits. She set the agenda.

49 women on the list are from the United States. Oprah comes in at No 21, Nancy Pelosi at No 26, Laura Bush at No 60. And take a look at this, our own Meredith Vieira at No 55, that’s right. You go girl, congratulations Meredith. She’s the top ranking journalist.

I'd like to hear more about her. That’s right, that’s right, and we wanna hear more about how Meredith is going to be using her powers this year.

Exactly, you know, we wield some power around here.(Right. )One notable change, though, this year, I thought was interesting. Hillary Clinton actually fell back a little bit on the list. She came in, she fell from No 18 last year to No 25. This is a year she's announcing she’s running for president.(That’s right.)How do you explain that?

The way to explain that is we have more women than ever before entering the list, and getting into the top 20. So we had more women uh, coming into the top 20 that effectively pushed Hillary back in the rankings.

And one of the interesting developments, I think, here the trends you were saying, a lot more women from the Middle east, as you mentioned, represent it.

That's absolutely right, that's right. we've got ten women from the middle East. And you know, we talk, there is a lot of talk about the glass ceiling and certainly the glass ceiling is made of concrete in certain regions in the world. But the power these women are wielding is sort of making that a quickly acquainted notion. A lot of women in the Middle East run conglomerates, they run banking companies. They run energy companies. And you know, they are running, for example, Lubna Al Qasimi, Minister of the Economy, (United Arab Emirates)that's right, United Arab Emirates(we interviewed her when we were in Dubai, so yes). She is an interesting woman; she’s demanding more stock market reforms, along western style reforms, for example, corporate governance and transparency.

Well, it’s great to see that, that in that part of the world they are being represented, thank you so much.

Sure! Thank you.

And the September 17th issue of Forbes hits news stands today. Elizabeth MacDonald, thank you again!
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