美国国家公共电台 NPR 美众议院向参议院提交弹劾总统条款 审判2月9日开始（在线收听）

For the second time in a little more than a year, a procession of House impeachment managers walked across the Capitol to launch an impeachment trial in the Senate.

一年多之后，众议院弹劾经理人团队第二次穿过国会大厦，在参议院展开弹劾审判。

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JAMIE RASKIN: Donald John Trump engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors by inciting violence against the government of the United States.

杰米·拉斯金：唐纳德·约翰·特朗普煽动针对美国政府的暴力，犯下重罪和轻罪。

That is lead House impeachment manager Democrat Jamie Raskin of Maryland. He's reading from the single article of impeachment against former President Donald Trump for what the House says was Trump's role in inciting the riot at the Capitol on January 6. To tell us more, we're joining now by NPR congressional reporter Claudia Grisales.

这是领导众议院弹劾经理人的马里兰州民主党议员杰米·拉斯金所说。他正在宣读弹劾前总统唐纳德·特朗普的条款，即众议院认为特朗普在煽动1月6日国会大厦暴乱中所起的作用。下面我们将连线NPR新闻驻国会记者克劳迪娅·格里塞尔斯，请她进行详细报道。

Hey, Claudia.

你好，克劳迪娅。

CLAUDIA GRISALES, BYLINE: Hi, Ailsa.

克劳迪娅·格里塞尔斯连线：你好，艾尔莎。

CHANG: All right. So can you just recap for us what happened this evening?

张：好。请你简要回顾一下今晚发生的事情。

GRISALES: This marked a ceremonial beginning to kick start this trial. The House clerk and acting sergeant at arms led a team of nine impeachment managers to the Senate. It's reminiscent of what we saw over a year ago after Trump was impeached a first time. But this time as you mentioned, Jamie Raskin of Maryland led this new nine-member team of managers, and read the article in the chamber.

格里塞尔斯：这是启动这场审判的仪式。众议院书记员和代理军士长率领由9名弹劾经理人组成的小组前往参议院。这让人想起一年多之前特朗普首次被弹劾的情景。但这一次，正如你所说，马里兰州议员杰米·拉斯金领导这个由九名成员组成的新经理人团队，并在参议院宣读了弹劾条款。

Tomorrow, the senators will b?e sworn in, and the Senate will issue its summons for Trump. That's followed by several pretrial steps in the coming days. And then briefs from both sides are due on Monday, February 8. The following day, on the 9th, the trial will get underway and senators will again have to sit quietly as jurors for days and hours at a time. Another change we saw tonight that will see again during the trial is that it would be presided by Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy, this is the president pro tem, rather than Chief Justice John Roberts since this trial doesn't involve a sitting president this time.

明天，参议员将宣誓就职，参议院将向特朗普发出传票。之后几天将进行多项预审步骤。双方将于2月8日周一提交诉讼摘要。审判将在第二天——也就是2月9日——开始，届时参议员将再次作为陪审员静坐数日，每日持续数小时。我们今晚看到的另一个变化是，审判将由临时议长、民主党参议员帕特里克·莱希主持，而不是由首席大法官约翰·罗伯茨主持，因为这次审判不涉及现任总统。

CHANG: Right. OK, all right, so you just outlined some of the logistics to be expected in the next several days. Can you just remind us that why is the Senate waiting two weeks to officially begin this trial?

张：没错。好，你刚刚概述了未来几天的一些组织工作。你能解释一下为何参议院要等两个星期再正式开始这场审判吗？

GRISALES: This was the result of an agreement reached between Schumer and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. McConnell had asked for more time for the president's defense team to prepare. Meanwhile, Democrats have their own concerns. They're still in limbo without a deal with Republicans in place and how this chamber, now split 50-50, will share power on their committees. Also, since all Senate business stops with the trial, this pause gives Democrats a chance to confirm more of Biden's nominees, with only three confirmed so far. This as Democrats also hope to get more legwork done on a $1.9 trillion Biden proposal for new wave of coronavirus relief.

格里塞尔斯：这是舒默和少数党领袖米奇·麦康奈尔所达成的协议。麦康奈尔希望总统的辩护团队有更多的准备时间。与此同时，民主党也有自己的担忧。如果没有与共和党达成协议，确定各占一半席位的参议院如何在委员会中分享权力，那民主党仍将处于不稳定状态。此外，由于参议院的所有事务都会随着审判而停止，这一暂停使民主党获得了确认更多拜登提名人选的机会，目前只有三人得到确认。民主党还希望在拜登提出的1.9万亿美元的新一轮冠状病毒救助计划上开展更多立法工作。

CHANG: Right, a lot to do. Well, when it comes to impeachment, how have senators at least so far been weighed in about their feelings on whether they would vote to convict Trump, especially Republican senators?

张：好，有很多事情要做。那就弹劾而言，至少目前来说，参议员，尤其是共和党参议员，如何权衡是否会投票支持定罪特朗普？

张：以上是NPR新闻驻国会记者克劳迪娅·格里塞尔斯带来的报道。

谢谢你，克劳迪娅。

格里塞尔斯：谢谢你们邀请我。

GRISALES: Yes, Republicans were hearing a whole range of reactions, some are saying that Trump was clearly the individual help incite these mobs that came to the Capitol and conducted this violent insurrection. But some Republicans say that this is no longer a sitting president and they don't believe the Senate impeachment trial should go forward. So we are hearing a real split. Schumer earlier today argued that Trump didn't show remorse or ackowledged his role in the January 6 riot. So that doesn't discount that he should be held accountable for his actions that day. But there are some key Republicans we still have to hear from and that includes McConnell who has left the door open there for the potential that he could be considering to vote to convict the president. But Democrats would need two thirds majority to convict, that's 17 Republicans. And that's a very tall order to reach that benchmark to convict Trump. So, it's still a big question to remain to be seen.

格里塞尔斯：共和党人有各种反应，有些人认为，显然特朗普煽动暴徒来到国会大厦并进行暴动。但也有共和党人认为，特朗普现在已不是在任总统，因此参议院的弹劾审判不应该继续进行。我们听到的是真正的分裂。舒默今天早些时候表示，特朗普没有表现出悔恨，也没有承认他在1月6日骚乱中所扮演的角色。因此，他应该对其当天的行为负责，这并非不可能的事情。但我们仍需听取一些关键共和党人的意见，其中包括麦康奈尔，他有可能考虑投票支持给总统定罪。但民主党需要三分之二的多数票才能宣判定罪，也就是说民主党需要赢得17名共和党人的支持。要达到定罪特朗普的基准是非常艰巨的任务。因此，这仍是有待观察的重要问题。

Thank you, Claudia.

谢谢你，克劳迪娅。

GRISALES: Thanks for having me.

格里塞尔斯：谢谢你们邀请我。