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Are you worried that your boss could crack down on you for goofing around? We got the email yesterday.

We did.

Don't use your email at work for fun stuff, and our next guest says you know what? (Illegal stuff) or illegal stuff. Goofing off online at the office may actually be a good thing, a good thing.

Look who it is, Rod Kurtz is with Inc magazine of course, (of course) you have a great website as well, what's the website?

Inc. com. (Inc. com)

And if you want to look at it at work, that's ok.

That's cool?

So wasting time is OK at work? What do you mean?

Wasting time, well, let's look at the numbers ---760 billion dollars that's what we are talking about in loss productivity people goofing off at work. (Well, that's bad) You gotta be careful though, you can always twist the numbers, you know how it is. And people are actually more productive in other ways, so they may be looking at (How? ) well, take it for example, if you're on a shopping website at work, people aren't taking lunch hours anymore to go out shopping. They may do it for 15 minutes online instead of an hour outside the office.

Yes, they are. They're still. . . they are goofing around they're surfing and they are also. . .

OK, this present company included. (Yeah, exactly)

Why not see? We turn our laptops for a second. (You got a lot tough right here, got it. ) Now, what about this? In our greenroom right now, we got the interns playing cards around the. . .

Well, I don't know anything about checkers. So I don't know what they are doing down there, talk to your staff.

And there is a control room, I mean they are playing basketball a lot. . .

And if there's a lot of expensive equipment in there. You're gonna be careful. But think about it, I mean people have blackberries now, so they are doing a lot of work outside the office, in the cab on the way here, I was typing away.

That's just it. You may do some things that you'll normally do off work time at work but then when you're at home, you're constantly checking, you know checking emails, getting emails from work, checking blackberries. So has, has the work pattern changed? or it's not just your nine to five, but it's your 24 hours.

Absolutely yeah. I was joking with you guys while typing away here, at the table here, you are not to be at a desk anymore to do your work. And that's an interesting thing that studies have shown that people are actually spending more time on work when they are at home than they're goofing off in the office. So what you're saying is absolutely true.

The entire time I'm at home, I am working toward doing work for this job. There's no question. But how many times you walk by people's desk and that's solitaire's being played on their computer screen.

Well, that's the famous example, an infamous I should say, a Mayor Michael Bloomberg here in New York, famously fired an employee for playing solitaire at work. And I think that's the real danger for employers. And that's what we are talking about to some of our Inc readers, just that, you don't wanna crack down necessarily because you rub your employees the wrong way. I don't think anyone said Mayor Bloomberg looked like a great manager, they just said that wasn't a really nice thing to do.

Well, yet, but the guy was stupid, hey, the mayor is coming true and he is playing cards and maybe you shouldn't do that at work.

Rod Kurtz, senior editor at Inc. com. We thank you very much. And of course check out the magazine. There it is, right there. "How to make great hires" is your cover story. All right, thank you.

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