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Protesters clashed with police again in Northern Ireland's capital, Belfast, last night. This has been happening for days. And the violence is a response in part to a new trade border created by Brexit. And the images of protesters throwing Molotov cocktails, police firing water cannons, it's all a vivid reminder of the history of political violence in Northern Ireland. NPR's Frank Langfitt is there in West Belfast. Frank, thanks for being here. Just describe where you are and what you're seeing.

昨晚，抗议者在北爱尔兰首府贝尔法斯特再次与警方发生冲突。这种情况已经持续数天之久。暴力事件发生的部分原因是对英国脱欧造成的新贸易边界做出回应。我们看到了抗议者投掷燃烧弹、警察发射高压水枪的画面，这一切都在生动地提醒人们北爱尔兰的政治暴力历史。NPR新闻的弗兰克·朗菲特现在在西贝尔法斯特。弗兰克，谢谢你你和我们连线。请描述一下你在哪里，看到了什么。

FRANK LANGFITT, BYLINE: Yeah. Where I am is actually where a lot of the violence was last night. I'm actually at one of the peace walls. These things are — they're sort of metal barriers and concrete barriers that were built back during the Troubles in the '70s and the '80s to divide the Catholic and the Protestant communities here. And last night, you had people — you had police trying to keep particularly pro-Irish nationalists at bay with the water cannons. I can see one of these walls is all — has all these burn marks on it from a van that was driven into it, lit on fire a couple of nights ago. And so you're very, very much right. The kinds of scenes here are scenes we haven't really seen in a number of years in Belfast and seem almost something from the past.

弗兰克·朗菲特连线：好。我所在的地方昨晚发生了很多暴力事件。我现在在其中一处和平墙。它们是金属屏障和混凝土屏障，在上世纪70年代和80年代的动乱时期建造，用来隔开天主教和新教社区。昨晚，有警察试图用高压水枪阻挡特别支持爱尔兰的民族主义者。我能看到其中一堵墙上全是一辆面包车上的烧痕，那辆面包车在前几晚撞上那面墙，并被点燃。你说得非常正确。这里现在发生的事情是我们许多年没有在贝尔法斯特看到过的场景，看起来几乎是过去情景的重现。

MARTIN: Can I ask you to get into the details a bit and explain how...

马丁：请你详细说明一下，解释……。

LANGFITT: Sure.

朗菲特：好。

MARTIN: ...Brexit has brought this on?

马丁：……为何英国脱欧导致了这一切？

LANGFITT: Yeah. It's — the facts that have led to this new round of violence are very complicated. But the Brexit component is, I think, very interesting. Because Brexit meant leaving the European Union, the United Kingdom had to create this new internal customs border that separates Northern Ireland from the rest of the U.K., of which, of course, Northern Ireland is a part. And I know that sounds kind of technical to people. But from sort of an identity perspective, a lot of people in Northern Ireland who've been very loyal to the Crown — loyal to Britain feel like they're being cut off. And they — some of them fought the Irish Republican Army during the Troubles to remain a part of the U.K. And they're also concerned that down the line, there's going to be a public vote at some point that could lead to the reunification of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to the south, the very thing that they oppose. This morning, I was talking to Sarah Creighton. She's a political analyst here. And she described how many loyalists, people who really want to remain a part of the United Kingdom, feel right now.

朗菲特：好。导致新一轮暴力的原因相当复杂。但我认为，英国脱欧所起的作用值得注意。由于英国脱欧意味着离开欧盟，因此英国不得不建立一个新的内部关税边界，将北爱尔兰和英国的其他地区分开，当然，北爱尔兰是英国的一部分。我知道这听起来有点技术性。但从某种身份的角度来看，北爱尔兰有很多人对王室非常忠诚，对英国也非常忠诚，这些人感觉自己被切断了联系。他们中的一些人在动乱时期曾与爱尔兰共和军对抗，为的是留在英国。他们还担心未来某个时候会举行公投，这可能导致北爱尔兰和其南边的爱尔兰共和国统一，而这是他们反对的事情。今天早上，我采访了莎拉·克雷顿。她是这里的政治分析家。她描述了许多忠诚者——即真正想继续留在英国的人——的感受。

SARAH CREIGHTON: People are just always ultimately afraid of being betrayed or left behind or abandoned. That uncertainty, that anger, you know, that's thought as being — it's fear, you know, and worry, I would say, for a lot of people.

莎拉·克雷顿：人们总是害怕被背叛、被留下或抛弃。就是不确定性，还有愤怒，这对许多人来说是恐惧和担忧。

MARTIN: Interesting. And, Frank, I mean, when you look at the images of what's happening, some of these rioters are really young, at least they look that way. What does that say?

马丁：这值得注意。弗兰克，在看了记录目前所发生事情的图像之后，我们发现这些暴徒中有些人非常年轻，至少他们看起来很年轻。这说明了什么？

LANGFITT: I think a lot of people are depressed by what they're seeing. And certainly, when I was out last night, it did feel like these old newsreels from the '70s were coming back to life. This is, of course — there was the Good Friday Agreement in 1998, which was supposed to have ended all of this — not quite, clearly. And what people are really upset about is to see a new generation seeming to come into this...

朗菲特：我认为很多人都对他们看到的情况感到沮丧。当然，我昨晚在外面时，确实觉得很像上世纪70年代新闻素材的重现。当然，1998年签署的《耶稣受难日协定》本应该结束这一切，但显然该协定并没能真正做到。而令人们真正感到不安的是，新一代人似乎加入了进来……

MARTIN: Yeah.

马丁：好。

LANGFITT: ...After this was supposed to be put to rest. There's a woman named Naomi Long. She leads the centrist alliance — centrist party here, the Alliance Party. It's a centrist party here. And she was speaking in Northern Ireland parliament yesterday. And this is what she said.

朗菲特：而这一切本应该停止。娜奥米·朗是中间派政党联盟党的领袖。这是一个中间派政党。她昨天在北爱尔兰议会发表了讲话。以下是她所说。

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NAOMI LONG: I watched adults old enough to be their parents, old enough to know better, standing by, cheering and goading and encouraging young people on as they wreaked havoc in their own community. This is nothing short of child abuse.

娜奥米·朗：我看到那些年纪大到可以做父母并明白事理的成年人站在一旁，一边欢呼，一边鼓励年轻人在自己的社区里制造破坏。这简直就是虐待儿童。

MARTIN: Frank, any sign the violence is going to abate?

马丁：弗兰克，有没有迹象表明暴力事件会减少？

LANGFITT: No. We're expecting more tonight. And I'll be out again tonight and reporting on what we see here on the streets of West Belfast.

朗菲特：没有。我们预计今晚会有更多暴力事件发生。今晚我会继续外出报道我们在西贝尔法斯特大街上看到的情况。

MARTIN: OK. We'll keep checking in with you. NPR's Frank Langfitt in West Belfast. Thank you.

马丁：好。我们会和你保持联系。以上是NPR新闻的弗兰克·朗菲特从西贝尔法斯特带来的报道。谢谢你。

LANGFITT: Great to talk, Rachel.

朗菲特：很高兴和你联系，蕾切尔。