纪录片《文明》 第120期 信仰之眼（19）（在线收听）

Lots of different kinds of iconoclasm have gone on here.

这里发生过多次不同形式的圣像破坏活动

The original stained-glass windows are one obvious casualty.

原先的彩色玻璃窗就遭受了明显的破坏

But they've also gone for the figures - of saints, of kings

但破坏的对象也包括圣人及国王的雕像

and the scenes from the life of the Virgin.

以及圣母玛利亚生活场景的雕塑

Sometimes the whole sculpture's just been removed,

有时整座雕像都被移除了

but quite often what they've done is they've just taken away

但更多时候他们所做的是把头和手拆掉

the head and the hands, leaving the body in place.

而把雕像的肢体留在原处

It's as if they were aiming to destroy those bits of

就好像他们是为了要摧毁掉那些

the sculpture that gave it its most living power,

最能赋予雕像活力的元素

the bits that you interacted with.

那些你能与之互动的元素

The point is, I think, that this isn't just random vandalism,

我认为 这不仅仅是随意的毁坏行为

this is quite focused, even thoughtful destruction.

这是重点突出的 甚至深思熟虑的破坏

Iconoclasm is something we often deplore,

圣像破坏是我们经常会谴责的行为

but there is another way of looking at it.

但是可以用一种不同的方式来看待它

Those figures minus heads and minus hands

这些失去头部和双手的雕像

have not been made invisible.

并未因此而消失不见

It's almost as if they've been turned

它们就好像被转换成了

into a different sort of image in their own right.

另一类具备独特价值的形象

An artful narrative of religious conflict.

这是对宗教冲突的一种巧妙解读

But there are more and perhaps unintended consequences

但是这类巧妙破坏也会引发出更多的

to such artful destruction.

或许是意想不到的后果

Liberated, you might almost say,

你也可以说 这里摆脱了

from the figures of saints and prophets that once crowded the walls

那些围在墙壁四周的圣人和先知的雕像

and with its clear stainless windows,

这些透明的无色窗户

the Lady Chapel has been transformed,

使圣母堂发生了转变

giving us another version of beauty.

向我们展示出另一种美

This is a tremendously aesthetically pleasing space.

这是一个非常给人美之享受的空间

It's light and airy

它明亮而空灵

and a marvellous mixture of austerity and decoration.

完美地融合了朴素与华丽

And we owe that to the iconoclasts.

而这都归功于圣像破坏

This fine balance between destruction

这毁灭与创造之间的平衡

and creation is often overlooked,

经常被人们所忽视

but it's what makes iconoclasm so interesting, so paradoxical.

但正是它使得圣像破坏显得如此有趣和矛盾

And it gets yet more intriguing

当我们观察宗教战争中的其他场景时

when we look at other theatres of religious war.

圣像破坏就变得更为吸引人了