访谈录 Interview 2007-09-11&09-12, 克林顿：权利依旧（下）（在线收听）

Let me ask you about politics now. And there's a poll that just came out in Iowa that deals with your wife and when people there were asked about who they respect most and who they trust most in the areas of leadership, handling of Iraq, protecting against terrorism, Hillary Clinton ranked tops out of four candidates. When they asked the people in Iowa who you like, she ranked fourth out of four candidates. Now this has got to be something that puzzles you, not only as a keen political observer but as a husband, why do you think when asked on a number of occasions people simply say they are not sure if they like Hillary Clinton.

Well, because she is the only person running who for 15 years has been regularly hit by the swift boat tactics of the Republicans. The first year when I ran for president, the 8 years I served, the six years she was in the Senate, I guess 16 years now. None of the others have been subject to that. They will be if one of them's nominated.

But it seems that personality. It doesn't seem about policy. It doesn't seem about ideology. (No, I...) It seems that there is something in her personality people are saying they are not comfortable with.

Yes, but it's something they've been preconditioned to think about by 17, 16 years of attacks. Um, the reason I know this is true. I have two pieces of evidence for you. When she ran for re-election in New York, she carried 58 of the 62 counties. 36 of the 40 counties President Bush carried in 2004 with 60 percent of the vote.

So u think she can reach across party lines?

Yes, I know she can and they like her because they know her not what they have been told about her. In Arkansas, a red state, I'm the only person who's carried twice since Franklin Roosevelt. And it's clearly a red state. She's well ahead of all the republicans, all of them, including our former governor, why? Because she lived there 18 years. They know her not the cartoon that's been presented. I hear people all time say, you know her friends. And I saw her best friend in Chicago she grew up with the other day. And I said do you have a feeling that they are talking about somebody you're not familiar with. She said all the time they just don't know her in the cities they live. They will feel somewhere about others.

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