PBS高端访谈:加州成为共和党主战场（在线收听）

AMNA NAWAZ: It was another busy weekend for the crowd of 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, with many of them flocking to a new and unexpected battleground state.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), Presidential Candidate: There is no middle ground.

AMNA NAWAZ: Fourteen Democratic presidential candidates descended on California this weekend, rallying some of the state's most progressive voters at its Democratic Convention with promises of sweeping change.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (D), Presidential Candidate: The riskiest thing we could do is try too hard to play it safe.

AMNA NAWAZ: With a primary vote slated three months earlier than past presidential races, California is poised to play its biggest role yet in shaping the 2020 race.

SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), Presidential Candidate: What's up, California Democrats?

AMNA NAWAZ: Home state Senator Kamala Harris enjoyed a warm reception, but not everyone did.

REP. JOHN DELANEY (D-MD), Presidential Candidate: Medicare for all may sound good, but it's actually not good policy, nor is it good politics.

REP. JOHN DELANEY: I'm telling you.

AMNA NAWAZ: That's former Maryland Congressman John Delaney.

JOHN HICKENLOOPER (D), Presidential Candidate: If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer.

AMNA NAWAZ: And former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, both moderates who pushed back against ideas from their more progressive fellow candidates, like Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), Presidential Candidate: The time for small ideas is over.

AMNA NAWAZ: Warren and other left-of-center candidates warned against Joe Biden's more moderate policies, though none actually named the former vice president, who currently holds a double-digit lead over his Democratic rivals. Meanwhile, New Jersey Senator Cory Booker stood out while addressing gun violence after the Virginia Beach shooting.

SEN. CORY BOOKER (D-NJ), Presidential Candidate: It is time for us as a nation not to normalize the violence and the culture of gun violence.

AMNA NAWAZ: But Biden was noticeably absent from the Saturday California event, opting instead to headline an LGBTQ advocacy group dinner in the swing state of Ohio.

JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential Candidate: We are seeing pushback against all the progress we have made toward equality.

SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND (D-NY), Presidential Candidate: We want women to have a seat at the table.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX News: What about men?

SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND: They're already there. Do you not know?

AMNA NAWAZ: New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, meanwhile, sparred with Chris Wallace in a FOX News town hall over women's rights and the network's abortion debate coverage.

SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND: What happens on FOX News is relevant because they talked about infanticide for 6.5 hours, 6.5 hours, right before President Trump's State of the Union.

AMNA NAWAZ: On the Republican side, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan shot down a much-speculated 2020 run, saying he wouldn't challenge President Trump for the GOP nomination.

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：对于参加2020年总统大选角逐的民主党候选人们来说，这个周末又是忙碌的周末，因为有很多候选人都蜂拥而至新的主场州，这也是此前他们都未曾料到的。

参议员伯尼·桑德斯，总统候选人：不能有折中的立场。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：有14位民主党总统候选人本周末来到了加州，他们集结了加州最活跃的选民，集结的场合是民主党全国年会。这些候选人都承诺带来颠覆性的变革。

皮特·布蒂格，总统候选人：最冒险的做法就是——小心翼翼，如履薄冰，想要事事周全。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：由于加州投票的时间比之前的总统竞选要早3个月，因此加州注定要成为决定2020年总统大选局势的关键州。

参议员卡玛拉·哈里斯，总统候选人：你们怎么了吗？我的加州民主党议员们。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：主场在加州的参议员卡玛拉·哈里斯收到了当地民众的热烈欢迎，但并不是每位候选人都有这样的待遇。

众议员约翰·德拉尼，总统候选人：国家老年人医疗保险制度（Medicare）听起来对大家都好，但其实这并不是一项好政策，也不具备好的政治眼光。

众议员约翰·德拉尼：我说的都是实话。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：刚才这番话是马里兰州国会议员约翰·德拉尼所说。

约翰·希肯卢珀，总统候选人：如果我们想击败特朗普病取得重大目标进展德华，那么社会主义道路并不是我们的选择。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：而前科罗拉多州长约翰·希肯卢珀是出了名的稳健派，他抵制了态度更进步派的候选人观点，比如马萨诸塞州的参议员伊丽莎白·沃伦。

参议员伊丽莎白·沃伦，总统候选人：是时候摒弃格局狭小的想法了。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：沃伦等偏左翼候选人警示选民不要听取乔·拜登等人更为稳健的政策，虽然偏左翼候选人都没有点名道姓地说出这位前副总统的名字。目前，拜登的票数领先于其他民主党候选人，差距在两位数。与此同时，新泽西州参议员柯瑞·布克也脱颖而出——他强调解决枪支暴力的问题，尤其是在弗吉尼亚海滩市政大楼发生大规模射击事件后。

参议员柯瑞·布克，总统候选人：我们美国是时候正视枪支暴力及其文化的问题了，这不应该成为一种常态。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：不过，拜登并没有参加周六加州的活动，他反而选择在至关重要的俄亥俄州为性少数群体（LGBTQ）宣传造势。

乔·拜登，总统候选人：我们发现，虽然在性别平等方面取得了一些进展，但总有人抵制我们所取得的进展。

参议员陆天娜，总统候选人：我们希望女性有发言权。

克里斯托弗·华莱士，福克斯新闻主播：那男性呢？

参议员陆天娜：男性已经有发言权了，这一点还不够明显吗？

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：从刚才的报道中，我们看到，纽约参议员陆天娜与福克斯主播克里斯托弗·华莱士在演播厅里就女性权利和网上热议的堕胎问题进行了辩论。

参议员陆天娜：福克斯新闻报道的内容与我们密切相关，因为他们耗时6个半小时讨论杀婴罪，而时间点正是在特朗普发表国情咨文之前。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：而在共和党这边，马里兰州州长拉里·霍根表示不会参加2020总统大选，虽然此前外界曾热议他会参加。他表示，自己不会与特朗普争夺共和党的候选人提名。