PBS高端访谈:德州敖德萨市枪击案的后续发展（在线收听）

Hari Sreenivasan: Joining me now from Odessa, Texas, via FaceTime is Jake Bleiberg, criminal justice and law enforcement reporter for The Associated Press. Thanks for being with us. Is the picture any clearer this afternoon? Has there been any indication of what motivated this person to do this?

Jake Bleiberg: So what law enforcement is saying at this point is they really don't know why this happened. It's being actively investigated but we have no clues at this point as to motive.

Hari Sreenivasan: Now you're joining us from a college campus that was on lockdown yesterday. How are people there reacting to this?

Jake Bleiberg: You know it's really, the campus itself is almost fully, at least the smaller part that I'm in really fully taken over by law enforcement. There are FBI and Texas Ranger trucks filling the parking lot. This whole community is still in the midst of responding to this. There are cars still in the street with bullet holes in their doors, and much of the space in Odessa is being processed as an active crime scene.

Hari Sreenivasan: This happened yesterday and this was the same month of the El Paso shooting and this is also the same time now on September 1, a new law goes into effect regarding guns in Texas. What is it?

Jake Bleiberg: Yeah, there are there are several new laws that have come into effect here. And really, to put them together, what they do broadly is to allow people to carry guns in more spaces. It makes it easier to carry a firearm in a church or a synagogue. It makes it easier for people who might rent their homes to carry a firearm in their rented space. The landlords can't prohibit that. And these laws were celebrated by the NRA and its affiliate here in Texas as a great success.

Hari Sreenivasan: Jake, how is this community mourning this?

Jake Bleiberg: There's a vigil scheduled for tonight that I think is going to be the first official step in the mourning process. But from the people I've spoken to, I think they're still struggling to process what happened. I don't know that it's entirely real for people yet. I interviewed a doctor earlier today, treated someone who was shot yesterday, and he used repeatedly the word "surreal" to describe the experience. I almost think that the community is still in shock.

Hari Sreenivasan: And what has the kind of official response been from the governor or the local authorities and officials on this tragedy?

Jake Bleiberg: So we heard from the governor and he said that there needs to be action. He said that words are not enough, but there weren't a lot of details on just what that action will be. Likewise, the special agent in charge of the FBI for the El Paso district, which covers, of course, El Paso and then also where I am here in Odessa, that this is becoming routine for the FBI. He said there's, throughout the country, a mass shooting of some kind at least every two weeks and that they're anticipating the next one, that they're not stopping here.

Hari Sreenivasan: Wow, that's unfortunate Jake Bleibrg, Associated Press criminal justice and law enforcement reporter, joining us from Odessa, Texas, tonight. Thanks so much.

Jake Bleiberg: Thank you.

哈里·斯里尼瓦森：现在与我在facebook上连线的是来自德克萨斯州敖德萨的杰克·布莱伯格，他是美联社刑事司法和执法记者。谢谢你参与我们的节目。今天下午事态有更明朗一些吗？有没有迹象表明做这件事的这个人动机是什么？杰克·布莱伯格:执法部门目前的意思是，他们真的对为什么会发生这样的事情无从可知。目前事件原因正在积极调查中，但目前我们还没有关于作案动机的线索。

哈里·斯里尼瓦森: 现在你从昨天被封锁的大学校园里与我们连线。那里的人们对这件事有何反应？

杰克·布莱伯格: 你知道，现在学校，至少是我身处的这一小范围几乎已经完全由执法部门接手了。联邦调查局和德州巡警的卡车塞满了停车场。整个社区仍然还沉浸在这件事情之中。车门上布满弹孔的汽车依然停在马路上，敖德萨的大部分地区仍然被当做活跃的犯罪现场对待。

哈里·斯里尼瓦森: 这起案件发生在昨天，与埃尔帕索枪击事件事出同月，现在又是9月1日，德克萨斯州一项关于枪支的新法律生效的日期。这说明了什么？

杰克·布莱伯格: 是的，有一些新的法律已经在这里生效。实际上，把这些事件放在一起考虑，它们在很大程度上允许了人们在更多的地方携带枪支。在教堂或犹太教堂携带枪支更加简单。它使那些租房子的人更会在租的地方携带枪支而房东无权制止。这些法律被全国步枪协会和它在德克萨斯州的附属机构当做他们一个巨大的成功在庆祝。

哈里·斯里尼瓦森: 杰克，这个社区是怎么哀悼这件事的？

杰克·布莱伯格: 今晚将举行守夜仪式，我认为这将是哀悼过程中的第一步。我也不知道这对人们来说是不是完全真实的。但从与我交谈过的人来看，我认为他们仍然对所发生的事情感到难以置信。今天早些时候，我采访了一位医生，他在为昨天被枪击的人治疗，他反复用“超现实”这个词来形容这次经历。我几乎认为整个社区仍处于震惊之中。

哈里·斯里尼瓦森: 州长或地方当局官员对这起悲剧有何官方回应？

杰克·布莱伯格: 州长说我们需要采取行动。他说，光说是不够的，但是具体行动的细节我们还不得而知。同样的，负责埃尔帕索地区联邦调查局的特工，当然也包括调查埃尔帕索和我所在的敖德萨的地方，这已经成为联邦调查局的例行公事。他说，在全国各地，至少每两周就会发生一起大规模枪击事件，他们预计下一次枪击事件还会发生，这些暴徒不会就此打住。

哈里·斯里尼瓦森: 哦，这是不幸的，让我们感谢来自美联社刑事司法和执法部的记者杰克·布莱伯格，今晚从德克萨斯州敖德萨加入我们的节目。非常感谢。

杰克·布莱伯格: 也谢谢你。