PBS高端访谈:德雷克大学的集会活动（在线收听）

JUDY WOODRUFF: With just a few days to go before the Iowa presidential caucuses, Mr. Trump lands in Des Moines this evening to rally supporters. National correspondent Stephanie Sy is at the site of the rally at Drake University. Hi, Stephanie. So, the rally hasn't started yet, but tell us about the atmosphere.

STEPHANIE SY: Well, it is just electric. These rallies feel like rock concerts. And I think that is by design. As soon as you walk into the auditorium and, by the way, there are more than 7,000 people that can fit into this auditorium, and I imagine it will be packed, if past is prologue at these Trump rallies. But as you walk in there, are bright lights, there is rock music blaring through amplifiers. They amp up the crowd this way. And you can really feel that energy. President Trump is due to speak here just hours after he gives a speech in Michigan in which he's expected to tout that trade deal, the free trade deal that he signed with Mexico and Canada. We would expect that he would also tout that accomplishment here at this rally. You know, I spoke to a Trump supporter right before I came on the air, and he compared Donald Trump to Garth Brooks, saying, President Trump is the Garth Brooks of politics. He wasn't all this interested in politics. He didn't even vote for Trump in 2016. But here he is at this rally planning to vote for Trump in the election in November, because he feels like he speaks to him, and he feels like he was never interested in politics until this candidate took the stage. This rally, Judy, also a reminder of whoever ends up being the Democratic standard-bearer is up against, these raucous, highly energetic rallies of several thousand people. That, undoubtedly, is part of the Trump campaign's strategy four days ahead of the Iowa caucus, is to remind folks of the muscular support that he has here in Iowa, which he won by nine points in 2016.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And that reminds me, Stephanie. You have been talking to voters who are going to those Democratic caucuses. What can you tell us about the state of their race?

STEPHANIE SY: Well, I will tell you, we have been to six presidential campaign events in the last three days. And those events contrast greatly with what we're seeing at this rally. It seems like the strategy for the Democratic candidates this week is to hold small, intimate events, where they can get their message across, where they can make eye contact with voters, where they can shake their hands, maybe answer a few questions at town halls. You will hear about them talking, you will hear them talking about substantive policy issues, the policy platforms, but every single one of them will talk about beating Trump. And we did attend one of Vice President Joe Biden's events today in a suburb of Des Moines. Again, it was in a high school gymnasium. About 175 people gathered. It was a highly staged event. And every single time the vice president mentioned beat Trump, that's when he got the biggest applause line. As you know, Judy, the polls right now showing a very tight race at the top, so you really get the sense that candidates are desperate for every single vote. And, in fact, after Vice President Biden gave this grand stump speech, he had a very humble message at the end, which was, basically: Please help me. I need you to vote on Monday.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Fascinating. Stephanie Sy there reporting for us from Des Moines just a few days away from the caucuses. Thank you, Stephanie Sy.

STEPHANIE SY: My pleasure.

朱迪·伍德拉夫：距离爱荷华州投票还有几天的时间，特朗普今天晚上来到得梅因与支持者举行集会。记者斯蒂芬妮来到了德雷克大学的机会现场。嗨，斯蒂芬妮。机会现在还没开始，所以请给我们讲讲现场的氛围吧。

斯蒂芬妮：这里气氛很火爆，就像摇滚乐演唱会一样。我觉得这是有意设计的。一走进观众席，就看到有7000多人坐着。我想这里会坐满，但开场白已经说完了。但走进那里的时候，就有明亮的灯光，摇滚乐通过扩音器发出震耳欲聋的声响。这些都激荡着观众们的心。在现场的人都可以感受到这种能量。特朗普总统在这里讲话的数小时前，在密歇根做过一次演讲。在密歇根的演讲中，特朗普预计会鼓吹贸易协议，也就是他跟墨西哥还有加拿大签订的自由贸易协议。我们预计特朗普还会在这次集会上鼓吹他的这个成就。其实我在这次现场直播前有跟特朗普的一个支持者聊过。这位支持者将特朗普比作加斯·布鲁克斯，他说特朗普是政坛的加斯·布鲁克斯。他对政治根本不感兴趣，他2016年的时候甚至没有为特朗普投过票。但今天他也来到集会现场，打算给特朗普在11月的选举中投票，因为他想跟特朗普对话。他之前对政治丝毫不感兴趣，直到特朗普作为候选人登上政治舞台。朱迪，这次机会也是一种提醒，提醒着最终成为民主党候选人的那个人是这种能量迸发的集会上数千人的敌人。毫无疑问，这是爱荷华州投票前夕特朗普竞选策略的部分内容，是在提醒民主党候选人特朗普在爱荷华州获得的支持呼声很高。2016年的时候，特朗普在这个州获得了9点的支持率。

朱迪·伍德拉夫：这提醒了我，斯蒂芬妮。你一直有在跟参加民主党投票的选民们交流。可否聊一下关于民主党竞选的状态？

斯蒂芬妮：实话说，我们过去3天里已经去了6次竞选活动的现场。这些活动跟今天集会上看到的景象迥然不同。似乎民主党候选人本周的策略是专注促进感情的小型活动。在这里，他们可以传达信息，可以跟选民视觉接触，可以握手，或许还能回答几个问题。你能听见这些候选人说话——听到他们谈论重大政治问题、政治平台，但每一个人都会谈的就是打败特朗普。我们今天确实参加了前副总统乔·拜登在得梅因郊区举行的活动。这一次是在一所高中的健身房里。有175个人聚集在那里。这里活动的规格很高。每一次，拜登都会提到要打败特朗普，那时候，他总会得到最热烈的掌声。朱迪你也知道，民调现在领先的几个人，票数追的很紧。所以大家都能感觉到候选人的票的渴求。而且，实际上，在拜登做了第一次演讲之后，他最后很谦逊地传达了一个讯息：请帮帮我，我需要你们周一为我投上宝贵的一票。

朱迪·伍德拉夫：棒。谢谢斯蒂芬妮在还有几天就要投票之际为我们从得梅因发回报道。

斯蒂芬妮：我的荣幸。