PBS高端访谈:特朗普审判结果即将公布(在线收听

JUDY WOODRUFF: Today is the eve of the decisive day in the trial of President Trump on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Ahead of the crucial votes, members of the United States Senate spent this day speaking their minds. Congressional correspondent Lisa Desjardins begins our coverage.

LISA DESJARDINS: At the Capitol, the impeachment jury is silent no more.

MAN: So, I may begin Mr. President. Thank you.

LISA DESJARDINS: One by one...

WOMAN: Mr. President, I rise to voice my opposition to these articles of impeachment.

SEN. MARK WARNER (D-VA): I will vote to convict the president because it is the Senate's constitutional responsibility.

LISA DESJARDINS: ... senators took turns processing two weeks of arguments, during which they were forbidden from speaking, into 10 minutes of remarks each.

SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): The Senate must now ask, do these charges meet the standard for impeachment?

LISA DESJARDINS: For most Democrats, the focus was sharp, the president, and a conclusion that his push to investigate a political rival was a high crime.

SEN. EDWARD MARKEY (D-MA): Donald Trump did it. He did it. He did exactly what he was alleged to have done. He abused his power. He committed impeachable crimes. He's guilty. There's no question about it.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): President Trump took this action to benefit himself personally, and not for the good of the nation.

SEN. GARY PETERS (D-MI): What the president did was wrong, unacceptable and impeachable.

LISA DESJARDINS: Democrats have waited days for this, honing thoughts in hallways and in private. And so have Republicans. Their focus? Largely blasting House Democrats' impeachment process.

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (R-ME): The House chose to skip the basic steps of judicial adjudication, and instead leapt straight to impeachment as the first resort.

SEN. SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO (R-WV): There is no doubt that the House impeachment process was partisan, politically driven, and denied President Trump some of his most basic rights of due process.

LISA DESJARDINS: As it did in the trial, the witness question and the decision not to call any permeated the air, with Democrats bluntly critical.

SEN. TINA SMITH (D-MN): That the Senate abandoned its responsibilities when it blocked efforts to get the complete truth here in this chamber. As a result, there will be a permanent cloud over these proceedings.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): It makes people believe, correctly, in my judgment, that the administration, its top people and Senate Republicans are all hiding the truth. They're afraid of the truth.

LISA DESJARDINS: To that high-powered charge, Republican Leader Mitch McConnell responded with his own volley at Democrats.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): I can certainly see why, given President Trump's remarkable achievements over the past three years, Democrats might feel a bit uneasy about defeating him at the ballot box. But they don't get to rip the choice away from the voters just because they're afraid they might lose again.

LISA DESJARDINS: That party divide is evident even in the search for meaning, Democrats concerned for the future.

SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA): Unchallenged evil spreads like a virus.

LISA DESJARDINS: Republicans eager to get to the future.

SEN. PAT ROBERTS (R-KS): Work together, we must. We will emerge strong, because we will. I yield the floor.

LISA DESJARDINS: The Senate votes on articles of impeachment tomorrow. For the PBS NewsHour, I'm Lisa Desjardins.

朱迪·伍德拉夫:今天是特朗普弹劾审判决定性日子的前夕,特朗普被指控的罪名是滥用职权和妨碍国会调查。在进行关键性的投票之前,美国参议院议员们这一天都在表达自己的想法。下面请听我台驻国会记者丽莎·德雅尔丹发回的报道。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:在国会大厦这里,弹劾陪审团们都不再沉默。

男:那么,我可以开始了,审判长。谢谢。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:大家一个一个地说着话……

女:审判长,我想起身表达我对弹劾条款的反对。

参议员马克·沃纳:我会投票支持判决总统有罪,因为这是宪法赋予参议院的责任。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:……参议员们轮流处理着2周以来的各种论点。在这2周里,他们表达观点时都会受到限制,每人要在10分钟内说完。

参议员,克里斯·霍伦:参议院现在必须要问一个问题——这些指控是否符合弹劾标准呢?

丽莎·德雅尔丹:大多数民主党人的专注点很犀利,将矛头直指特朗普。他们下结论称特朗普推动调查自己的政敌,这是很大的罪名。

参议员爱德华·马基:特朗普确实干了这事儿,无可否认。他就像外界所说的那样,滥用了职权。他犯下的罪过足以被弹劾,他有罪,这一点毋庸置疑。

参议员黛安娜·范斯坦:特朗普做了对自己有利的事儿,而不是对美国有利的事儿。

参议员盖里·彼得斯:特朗普做错了,他所做的事情不可接受,是可以被弹劾的。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:民主党等着一天已经等了,他们在走廊里和私下都筹备着这件事。共和党也不例外。共和党的关注点是什么呢?大力抨击众议院民主党的弹劾流程。

参议员苏珊·柯林斯:众议院选择跳过司法判决的基础步骤,而是直接跳到弹劾,这是他们的解决方案。

参议员谢莉·卡皮托:毫无疑问,众议院弹劾流程是党派性质的,是由政治驱动力的,否认了特朗普总统的一些正当基本的权利。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:审判过程中,关于不传唤证人的问题也被谈及,民主党人言辞犀利。

参议员蒂娜·史密斯:参议院没有履行责任,拒绝让真相在这里公之于众。结果就是,流程进行过程中总有一团乌云盘旋。

参议员查克·舒默:我觉得这样做就会让人们认为特朗普政府、高层官员、参议院在隐瞒真相,他们惧怕真相。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:对于这些活力十足的指控,共和党领袖明奇·麦康奈尔用自己的方式回击了民主党。

参议员明奇·麦康奈尔:我当然能明白原因,考虑到过去3年来特朗普总统卓绝的成就,民主党们可能觉得没法光明正大地通过投票来打败他吧。但他们没有选择夺走选民手里的权利,这只是因为他们害怕自己再次输掉。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:两党的分歧很明显,就连在讨论意义的时候也是如此,民主党对明天十分忧虑。

参议员蒂姆·凯恩:未引起争论的恶魔就像病毒一样传播。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:共和党则渴望明天快点到来。

参议员罗伯兹:我们必须精诚合作,我们在一起就会很强大,一定会的。我说完了。

丽莎·德雅尔丹:参议院明天将就弹劾条款做投票。以上是丽莎·德雅尔丹发回的《新闻一小时》。

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