美国国家公共电台 NPR--Among the N.M. lawmakers targeted in the shootings was a county commissioner

Among the N.M. lawmakers targeted in the shootings was a county commissioner¹

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NPR's Steve Inskeep speaks with Bernalillo County Commissioner Adriann Barboa about the string of shootings targeting Democratic lawmakers in New Mexico. She was one of the targets.

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

Among the lawmakers targeted in these shootings was Bernalillo County Commissioner Adriann Barboa, who's on the line from New Mexico. Welcome.

ADRIANN BARBOA: Hello. Thank you.

INSKEEP: What was your experience with Solomon Pena?

BARBOA: Oh, man. You know, right after the - I was serving as chair of the commission last year. And so we saw the increase, before and after the election, of, you know, folks coming to tell us that the election was fraudulent...

INSKEEP: Yeah.

BARBOA: ...And demanding that we don't certify³ it because the county commission is responsible. And, you know, he had done that. But he also came to my home and to the home of other commissioners⁴ and, you know, was pretty aggressive. I didn't feel totally threatened at the time. I believe in public discourse⁵. And that - I love that in New Mexico, our elected - you can talk directly to our elected. So I listened to him.

INSKEEP: Sure.

BARBOA: But, yeah, to learn that - you know, on December 4, I came home from buying Christmas lights and my house had shot up - been shot up.

INSKEEP: Whoa. So the first time he comes, he's just on your porch or something? And you're just talking. And he's complaining. But it's just a conversation.

BARBOA: It's just a conversation. He sounds a little erratic⁶ to me. But I just listen, you know? He's coming as a constituent⁷.

INSKEEP: And you said you came home later to discover your house had been shot up. Just lay it out here. How did you know that?

BARBOA: Yeah, just not the same day, right? He came right after elections, before we certified⁸ the elections. And then on December 4 is when I came home from shopping for Christmas lights. And I had shots through my front door, through my house, through my living room, right where I had just hours before been playing with my grandbaby.

INSKEEP: Had anybody been home at the time?

BARBOA: No. Thankfully, nobody was home. And nobody was physically⁹ hurt in any of these buildings.

INSKEEP: Now, needless to say, more than a month passed between your experience with the shooting and the arrest. Over the last several weeks, did you think to yourself, this shooting was in some way political?

BARBOA: The entire time. As soon as it happened. I live in the home that I grew up in, that I got to raise my kids in. And I don't - you know, I knew that this had to be because of my service. And that was my first thought. So you know, that's the most tensest part we had seen lately was election deniers.

INSKEEP: Well, let me ask a tricky¹⁰ question here - seems simple at first. And the question is, who do you blame? I mean, there's the suspect. If he's guilty, of course, you would blame him. But do you also blame people who have propagated these falsehoods all across the country?

BARBOA: I do. You know, some of our highest elected officials are - still invoke¹¹ violence through the words they use, through their actions and through their denial. And we, as elected officials, have a responsibility. People elect us, look to us to make decisions and look to our words. And, yes, I do know that that impacts this action. And nobody can be responsible for that. His actions were his. But when our highest level of government are - continue to make threats and violence a regular part of our public discourse, that impacts our democracy and, obviously, our lives.

INSKEEP: Should somebody else be arrested for an act like this, besides the people who pulled the trigger?

BARBOA: I mean, I don't know about arrest. But I know there should be accountability. I think we have to think in the larger public discourse and stop polarizing these issues around gun violence and, you know, public safety.

INSKEEP: How do you feel now that Mr. Pena is in custody¹²?

BARBOA: There's a sense of relief. I think I'm still in and out of shock that this happened, the trauma¹³ it's caused on my home and my family, even though we weren't physically hurt. And I just think about my neighbors, loved ones that go through this and violence all the time.

INSKEEP: I'm just thinking, you said there were shots through the door.

BARBOA: Through my front door.

INSKEEP: I guess you must have fixed¹⁴ it by now. Can you still see where it was?

BARBOA: Oh, yeah. You can still see when - you know, through my front door, out my back sliding door. So we have things to repair until we can replace that. But, no, our home is still need of repair from the damage.

INSKEEP: Very briefly¹⁵, how has the community responded to this?

BARBOA: Well, they are - you know, our community comes together. And I've gotten a lot of support. We've had a lot of, you know, good support from law enforcement. But people are devastated¹⁶ and worried. Today - yesterday started our legislature. So I think there's also just a great sense of relief that this person's been caught.

INSKEEP: Would you tell other people to run for office, given your experience?

BARBOA: Definitely. This impacts - we need representation. And if we are intimidated¹⁷ by this, then that decreases the representation we have in our elected officials.

INSKEEP: Bernalillo County Commissioner Adriann Barboa in New Mexico. Thanks so much for your time, really appreciate it.

BARBOA: Thank you for having me.

1 commissioner   

n.（政府厅、局、处等部门）专员，长官，委员

参考例句：

• The commissioner has issued a warrant for her arrest.专员发出了对她的逮捕令。
• He was tapped for police commissioner.他被任命为警务处长。

2 transcript   

n.抄本，誊本，副本，肄业证书

参考例句：

• A transcript of the tapes was presented as evidence in court.一份录音带的文字本作为证据被呈交法庭。
• They wouldn't let me have a transcript of the interview.他们拒绝给我一份采访的文字整理稿。

3 certify   

vt.证明，证实；发证书(或执照)给

参考例句：

• I can certify to his good character.我可以证明他品德好。
• This swimming certificate is to certify that I can swim one hundred meters.这张游泳证是用以证明我可以游100米远。

4 commissioners   

n.专员( commissioner的名词复数 )；长官；委员；政府部门的长官

参考例句：

• The Commissioners of Inland Revenue control British national taxes. 国家税收委员管理英国全国的税收。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The SEC has five commissioners who are appointed by the president. 证券交易委员会有５名委员，是由总统任命的。 来自英汉非文学 - 政府文件

5 discourse   

n.论文，演说；谈话；话语；vi.讲述，著述

参考例句：

• We'll discourse on the subject tonight.我们今晚要谈论这个问题。
• He fell into discourse with the customers who were drinking at the counter.他和站在柜台旁的酒客谈了起来。

6 erratic   

adj.古怪的，反复无常的，不稳定的

参考例句：

• The old man had always been cranky and erratic.那老头儿性情古怪,反复无常。
• The erratic fluctuation of market prices is in consequence of unstable economy.经济波动致使市场物价忽起忽落。

7 constituent   

n.选民；成分，组分；adj.组成的，构成的

参考例句：

• Sugar is the main constituent of candy.食糖是糖果的主要成分。
• Fibre is a natural constituent of a healthy diet.纤维是健康饮食的天然组成部分。

8 certified   

a.经证明合格的；具有证明文件的

参考例句：

• Doctors certified him as insane. 医生证明他精神失常。
• The planes were certified airworthy. 飞机被证明适于航行。

9 physically   

adj.物质上，体格上，身体上，按自然规律

参考例句：

• He was out of sorts physically,as well as disordered mentally.他浑身不舒服，心绪也很乱。
• Every time I think about it I feel physically sick.一想起那件事我就感到极恶心。

10 tricky   

adj.狡猾的，奸诈的；(工作等)棘手的，微妙的

参考例句：

• I'm in a rather tricky position.Can you help me out?我的处境很棘手，你能帮我吗？
• He avoided this tricky question and talked in generalities.他回避了这个非常微妙的问题，只做了个笼统的表述。

11 invoke   

v.求助于(神、法律)；恳求，乞求

参考例句：

• Let us invoke the blessings of peace.让我们祈求和平之福。
• I hope I'll never have to invoke this clause and lodge a claim with you.我希望我永远不会使用这个条款向你们索赔。

12 custody   

n.监护，照看，羁押，拘留

参考例句：

• He spent a week in custody on remand awaiting sentence.等候判决期间他被还押候审一个星期。
• He was taken into custody immediately after the robbery.抢劫案发生后，他立即被押了起来。

13 trauma   

n.外伤，精神创伤

参考例句：

• Counselling is helping him work through this trauma.心理辅导正帮助他面对痛苦。
• The phobia may have its root in a childhood trauma.恐惧症可能源于童年时期的创伤。

14 fixed   

adj.固定的，不变的，准备好的；(计算机)固定的

参考例句：

• Have you two fixed on a date for the wedding yet?你们俩选定婚期了吗？
• Once the aim is fixed,we should not change it arbitrarily.目标一旦确定，我们就不应该随意改变。

15 briefly   

adv.简单地，简短地

参考例句：

• I want to touch briefly on another aspect of the problem.我想简单地谈一下这个问题的另一方面。
• He was kidnapped and briefly detained by a terrorist group.他被一个恐怖组织绑架并短暂拘禁。

16 devastated   

v.彻底破坏( devastate的过去式和过去分词)；摧毁；毁灭；在感情上（精神上、财务上等）压垮adj.毁坏的；极为震惊的

参考例句：

• The bomb devastated much of the old part of the city. 这颗炸弹炸毁了旧城的一大片地方。
• His family is absolutely devastated. 他的一家感到极为震惊。

17 intimidated   

v.恐吓；威胁adj.害怕的；受到威胁的

参考例句：

• We try to make sure children don't feel intimidated on their first day at school. 我们努力确保孩子们在上学的第一天不胆怯。
• The thief intimidated the boy into not telling the police. 这个贼恫吓那男孩使他不敢向警察报告。 来自《简明英汉词典》