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Judy Woodruff: And now more reaction to the Hollywood movement to fight sexual harassment1 known as Time's Up. NewsHour special correspondent Charlayne Hunter-Gault sat down with actor Tracee Ellis Ross of the sitcom2 “Black-ish” yesterday to discuss where things stand and where they might be headed. Ross, who grew up in a legendary3 entertainment family, explained what she meant by the term constructive4 fury.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:Tracee Ellis Ross, thank you for joining us.
Tracee Ellis Ross: Thank you for having me.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:I saw you Sunday night so excited when Oprah was accepting the Cecil B. DeMille Award. What was going through your mind?
Tracee Ellis Ross: There were a lot of things going through my mind. It was a really special evening for many reasons. Time's Up campaign, I have been involved with and working with, and seeing a sea of the collective power of women, and seeing us all dressed in black sort of set a tone for the evening that was incredibly moving to me, that made me feel a part of a celebration of sisterhood, and an amplification5 of a very clear and strong message. It was a symbol of action that has been taken and being taken. It was a way that women got to be in solidarity6 with each other across the globe, in response to saying Time's Up on abuse, and discrimination, and the imbalance of power that exists that makes space for those things to occur.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault: Were you moved by Oprah's message?
Tracee Ellis Ross:If I wasn't moved by Oprah's message, I would be a rock. Oprah's message, as usual, tied into a larger story that is happening in our world and in our country right now. And, of course, she articulated it in the most palpable, powerful way that only Oprah could. And it was a very special moment.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:I'm just wondering, do you think that's going to translate into action, and do you think that all of the people standing7 up, especially the men — I don't know what they do in their daily lives, but do you think there was a message that got through to everybody in that room?
Tracee Ellis Ross:I think the message was set up for that moment. I mean, there was a collective force of women in that room already saying action is being taken and action is happening. For example, the Time's Up Legal Defense8 Fund raised $16 million in two weeks to help support men, women, everyone and anyone who has been affected9 by sexual violence that need support and legal help. There is systemic change that is occurring in the industry, and I think that is a lot of what Oprah was speaking to. I think one of the things that we all are discovering is that abuse and discrimination, and sexual violence is supported by a system of imbalance, and that it is structural10, and not personal, although particular experiences are personal, that the structure that makes space for that and allows that kind of behavior to exist is something that needs to be changed.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:Several years ago, there was a mass organization around trying to get black issues dealt with. And they broke off into focus groups, and action was on the tip of everybody's consciousness and tongue, and then it just sort of died out. Do you think something was learned from that, and that could be applied11 to this, so it's more effective and long-term?
Tracee Ellis Ross:There is a particular constructive fury that has occurred in response to this administration that has a lot of people focused with a resolute12 pursuit of equity13, that doesn't — isn't just about women, but is about marginalized people across the board, that affects everybody. And so, the hope, obviously, when anyone starts on any sort of journey of change, and structural change, and systemic change, is that it is going to work, but we all know that there are many pieces to that.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:Is it your sense that those in power, the majority of whom are white men, are actually getting it? And some of them might not have learned from the exposure that those who've taken advantage of women in a variety of ways, sexual and otherwise, is there a sense now that they really are getting it, that it really is a new day?
Tracee Ellis Ross:One would hope. But I think the point is, whether they get it or not, this is what's happening. The curtain has been pulled. The truth is, for a lot of these people, they obviously didn't get it, and it took somebody else seeing it, and somebody else listening to what had occurred in order for this to not be a time of sweeping14 these things under the rug.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:And, of course, the Internet now is buzzing with whether or not Oprah should run for office. What do you think?
Tracee Ellis Ross:I think Oprah is incredible, and I think that's a choice for Oprah. We want an answer to what is occurring. And if she's the answer, I will take it. And it's really a choice for her. She's incredible. We all know she's incredible. And there's also a lot of incredible women and men. And I think we will all have to put our heads and our hearts together, and get ourselves out for voting, first and foremost, for the midterm elections. And then we will start to see how all of this unfolds. But I don't think that this is a magic moment. I don't think anything is magic, and I think it's going to require everybody getting involved, and staying involved. And I think that's one of the beauties of Oprah, is she has a galvanizing force. She has an ability to really wake people up, and bring us into — each of us, into the best of ourselves. And so, I think there is something very palpable that she brings to a room, and that is what happened at the Golden Globes and in that moment, and she stands for and represents so much of that. And I am grateful that she is in our world. And I do think that time's up, and things have changed, and there's no going back.
Charlayne Hunter-Gault:Well, Tracee Ellis Ross, thank you.
Tracee Ellis Ross:Thank you for having me.
Judy Woodruff:In the coming days, special correspondent Charlayne Hunter-Gault continues her conversation with Tracee Ellis Ross on race in Hollywood.
朱迪·伍德瑞夫：人们对好莱坞性骚扰抗议运动Time's Up的反响越发强烈。昨日，NewsHour特别记者夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特与情景剧《喜新不厌旧》主演翠西·伊利斯·罗斯就此次运动的当前形势及未来动态展开讨论。罗斯生长在一个极负盛名的娱乐家庭，她向我们解释了“建设性愤怒”一词的含义。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：欢迎翠西·伊利斯·罗斯做客节目。
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：谢谢邀请。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：我看到周日晚上，当奥普拉接受塞西尔·B·德米尔奖项时，你万分兴奋。当时你在想什么？
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：我想了很多。这是个非常特殊的夜晚，原因很多。我参与其中的 Time's Up运动，广大女性同胞集结力量，大家身着黑衣，为那个夜晚定了基调，这一切将我感动至深，让我感觉到姐妹情谊，以及从中传递出来明确而强烈的信号。
它意味着我们已经采取也正在采取行动。这种方式让全球妇女团结一致，通过Time's Up去回应虐待与歧视，以及不平等现象对诸如此类事情的纵容。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：奥普拉的一席话有没有打动你？
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：要是不受打动，我就真成石头心了。
一如往常，奥普拉的话，是我们当今世界里和国家中那些大事件的投射。当然，在陈述这些时，她的语言鲜明有力，这些也只有奥普拉才能做到。这刻的确非比寻常。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：我只是想知道，你认为这些内容都会转化为行动吗？你认为所有在场的人，尤其是那些男人会吗？我不知道他们的日常生活状态，但你认为在场的每个人都听进去了吗？
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：我认为这些话恰逢其时。
我的意思是，那个房间里，女性同胞们已经集结了力量，正在采取行动，行动正在展开。
比如，Time's Up法律援助基金两周内已经筹集到1600万美元，用以帮助和支持那些需要各种支持，包括法律援助的人们，他们受到了性暴力负面影响。这个行业正发生着系统性的变革，我想这就是奥普拉所说的。
我想我们都发觉了，虐待、歧视和性暴力的根源都是社会体系不平等。而且它是结构性的，而非个人的，尽管这些经历是个人的，但正是这种社会结构纵容了这种行为的存在，这也正是需要改变的地方。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：几年前，有一个群众组织试图解决黑人问题。于是他们进行了焦点小组讨论，行动呼之欲出，但最终却又销声匿迹了。
你认为从中学到了哪些，可以应用到你们那里，让它更有效，更长远？
对于这届政府，有一种特殊的建设性愤怒，那就是许多人都在追求平等，他们坚定执着。这些平等不仅仅关乎女性，也涉及到各行各业中被边缘化的人物，关乎到每个人。
因此，显然，当有人开始变革之旅，改变社会结构和开展系统性变革时，这就会起作用，也就有了希望。但我们都知道，还有许多事情要做。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：那你感觉那些大多为白人的掌权者了解这些吗？他们中有些人可能还没有从曝光中了解到，那些利用各种方式，包括性方式从女性身上榨取好处的人。现在有一种感觉，他们真正开始了了解，这真是新的一天吗？
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：人们会抱有希望。但我想重点是，不管他们了解与否，事情都在发生。大幕已经拉开。事实上，对于很多人来说，他们显然并不了解，但别人看到了，听到了，这些东西就隐藏不了。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：当然，现在互联网上充斥着各种奥普拉应该竞选总统的消息。您怎么看？
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：我认为奥普拉很棒，我认为这是奥普拉的选择。我们需要的是对现实发生事情的答复。如果她就是答案，我会接受。真的是她自己的选择。
她令人难以置信。我们都知道她很棒。而且还有很多很棒的人。我认为我们必将众志成城，让我们获得投票权，最重要要的是中期选举的投票权，然后我们就将见到分晓。
但我认为这一时刻并不神奇。我认为这些都不是魔法，而需要我们每个人参与进来，融入其中。我认为这正是奥普拉的魅力所在，她有激动人心的力量。她能唤醒人们，让我们每个人都成为最好的自己。
因此，我认为很明显她为我们营造了一个空间。这就是金球奖颁奖时发生的一切，她已将此点发挥得淋漓尽致。有她在，我很感激。我真的认为时间到了，一切都变了，没有回头路了。
夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特：好，翠西·伊利斯·罗斯，谢谢你。
翠西·伊利斯·罗斯：感谢邀请。
朱迪·伍德瑞夫：未来几天里，特别记者夏莱恩·哈特·高尔特还将就好莱坞内的种族问题，对翠西·伊利斯·罗斯继续进行采访。
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