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Bruce Lee 'Lost' Interview

an unedited 25 minute interview with Bruce Lee (1940-1973) on the Pierre Berton Show. Recorded on 9th December 1971 in Hong Kong, Bruce Lee ... all ? is seen being himself, speaking candidly1 and informally about his life, his martial2 art beliefs and philosophy. Through the programme Bruce's supreme3 confidence, charisma4 and focus provide a tremendous insight into the young Bruce Lee - the man behind the legend.

Pierre Berton: What is the difference between Chinese boxing and what we see the young man doing at eight o'clock every morning on the rooftops (eha) and in the parks called "shadowboxing," which they're always...?

Bruce Lee: well, actually, you see, that is part of Chinese boxing (it is). There are so many schools, different schools...

Pierre Berton: Everybody here seems to be you know, going like this all the time.

Bruce Lee: Haha, well, that's good. I mean, I mean I'm very glad, I'm very glad to see that because at least somebody is caring for their own bodies, right?

Pierre Berton: yeah.

Bruce Lee: I mean that's a good sign. Well it's a kinda of a slow form of exercise which is called "tai chi chuan". I'm speaking mandarin5 just now (yeah), in Cantonese, "Kai di kune", haha, Okay? (I see) And it's more than an exercise for the elderly, not so much for the young.

Pierre Berton: Give me a demonstration6, show me, can you do a little bit of it, just …?

Bruce Lee: I mean, hand-wises, it's very slow and you push it out but all the time you are keeping the continuity going: bending, stretching, everything, you know, suppose, you know, I mean, you, you just keep it moving.

Pierre Berton: It sounds like a ballet dancer there...

Bruce Lee: Yeah, it is, I mean to them the idea is "Running water never grows stale." So you've got to just "keep on flowing."

Pierre Berton: Of, of all your students, famous, James Garner7, Steve McQueen, Lee Marvin, James Coburn, Roman Polanski, which was the best? Who, who adapted best to this oriental form of exercise and defense8?

Bruce Lee: well, um, depending, ok? Now, as a fighter, Steve, Steve McQueen, now, he is good in that department because, that son of a gun has got the toughness in him....

Pierre Berton: Yeah, I see it on the screen....

Bruce Lee: I mean, he would say, "all right baby, here I am, man," you know, and he'll do it, (yeah) now James Coburn is a peace-loving man....

Pierre Berton: I've met him.

Bruce Lee: Right? I mean, (yeah) you've met him....

Pierre Berton: Yeah.

Bruce Lee: I mean he's really, really nice, I mean super mellow9, or, and all that...

Pierre Berton: Yeah, he is!

Bruce Lee: You know what I mean? Now he appreciate(d) the philosophical10 part of it. Therefore, he's understanding of it, is deeper than Steve. So it's really hard to say, you see what I'm saying now?

Pierre Berton: I see....

Bruce Lee: I mean it's, I mean it's different, that's, depending on what you see in it...

Pierre Berton: Interesting, that, we don't, in our world, and haven't since the days of the Greeks who did, combined philosophy and arts with sport. But quite clearly the oriental attitude is that the three, are facets11 of the same things.

Bruce Lee: Man, listen, you see, really, to me, ok, to me, ultimately, martial art means honestly expressing yourself. Now it is very difficult to do. I mean it is, it is easy for me to put on the show and be cocky (yeah) and be flooded with a cocky feeling and then feel, like pretty cool and all that. Or I can make all kinds of phony thing, you see what I mean? Blinded by it. Or I can show you some, really fancy movement, but, to express oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly now, that, my friend is, very hard to do. And you have to train. You have to keep your reflexes so that when you want it, it's there! When you want to move, you are moving and when you move you are determined12 to move, not taking one inch, not anything less than that, if I want to punch, I'm gonna do it man, and I'm gonna do it. You see, so I mean, so that is the type of thing you have to train yourself into it, to become one with the…, you think.

Pierre Berton: Yeah, this is very un, western, this attitude. I want to ask you about your movie and TV career, but first uh, we take a break, and we will be back with Bruce Lee.

Pierre Berton: I've been taking to Bruce Lee, mainly about the Chinese martial arts which include things like Chinese boxing, karate13 and judo14, which is what he taught when he was in Hollywood after he left the University of Washington, where he studied, of all things, philosophy, if you can believe that. But he did, but that, perhaps you understand why the two go together from the first half of this program. And you can perhaps understand how he got into films, he knew a lot of actors but I'm told that you got the job on the green hornet, where you played Kato, the chauffeur15 mainly because you were the only Chinese-looking guy who could pronounce the name of the leading character, Brich Reid!

Bruce Lee: I meant that as a joke of course, haha. And it's a heck of name, man, I mean every time I said it, at that time I was super-conscious, I mean, really now, that's another interesting thing, huh? Let's say if you learn to speak Chinese...

Pierre Berton: yeah?

Bruce Lee: And it's very, I mean it's not difficult to learn and speak the words. The hard thing, the difficult thing, it's behind what is the meaning, what brought on the expression and feelings behind those words, like when I first arrived in the United States and I looked at a Caucasian, and I really would not know whether he was putting me on (yeah) or is he really angry? Because, because we have different way of reacting to it, (of course) those are the difficult things, you see?

Pierre Berton: It's almost as if you came upon a strange race or a smile didn't mean what it does to us. In fact, a smile doesn't always mean the same, does it?

Bruce Lee: of course, not.

Pierre Berton: Yeah, and it's a problem of that. Tell me about the big break when you played in long street...

Bruce Lee: Ahh, that's it.

Pierre Berton: I must tell our audience that Bruce lee had a bit part, or a supporting role in, in the long street series and this had an enormous effect on the audience. What was it?

Bruce Lee: well,…


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1 candidly YxwzQ1     
adv.坦率地,直率而诚恳地
参考例句:
  • He has stopped taking heroin now,but admits candidly that he will always be a drug addict.他眼下已经不再吸食海洛因了,不过他坦言自己永远都是个瘾君子。
  • Candidly,David,I think you're being unreasonable.大卫,说实话我认为你不讲道理。
2 martial bBbx7     
adj.战争的,军事的,尚武的,威武的
参考例句:
  • The sound of martial music is always inspiring.军乐声总是鼓舞人心的。
  • The officer was convicted of desertion at a court martial.这名军官在军事法庭上被判犯了擅离职守罪。
3 supreme PHqzc     
adj.极度的,最重要的;至高的,最高的
参考例句:
  • It was the supreme moment in his life.那是他一生中最重要的时刻。
  • He handed up the indictment to the supreme court.他把起诉书送交最高法院。
4 charisma uX3ze     
n.(大众爱戴的)领袖气质,魅力
参考例句:
  • He has enormous charisma. He is a giant of a man.他有超凡的个人魅力,是个伟人。
  • I don't have the charisma to pull a crowd this size.我没有那么大的魅力,能吸引这么多人。
5 Mandarin TorzdX     
n.中国官话,国语,满清官吏;adj.华丽辞藻的
参考例句:
  • Just over one billion people speak Mandarin as their native tongue.大约有十亿以上的人口以华语为母语。
  • Mandarin will be the new official language of the European Union.普通话会变成欧盟新的官方语言。
6 demonstration 9waxo     
n.表明,示范,论证,示威
参考例句:
  • His new book is a demonstration of his patriotism.他写的新书是他的爱国精神的证明。
  • He gave a demonstration of the new technique then and there.他当场表演了这种新的操作方法。
7 garner jhZxS     
v.收藏;取得
参考例句:
  • He has garnered extensive support for his proposals.他的提议得到了广泛的支持。
  • Squirrels garner nuts for the winter.松鼠为过冬储存松果。
8 defense AxbxB     
n.防御,保卫;[pl.]防务工事;辩护,答辩
参考例句:
  • The accused has the right to defense.被告人有权获得辩护。
  • The war has impacted the area with military and defense workers.战争使那个地区挤满了军队和防御工程人员。
9 mellow F2iyP     
adj.柔和的;熟透的;v.变柔和;(使)成熟
参考例句:
  • These apples are mellow at this time of year.每年这时节,苹果就熟透了。
  • The colours become mellow as the sun went down.当太阳落山时,色彩变得柔和了。
10 philosophical rN5xh     
adj.哲学家的,哲学上的,达观的
参考例句:
  • The teacher couldn't answer the philosophical problem.老师不能解答这个哲学问题。
  • She is very philosophical about her bad luck.她对自己的不幸看得很开。
11 facets f954532ea6a2c241dcb9325762a2a145     
n.(宝石或首饰的)小平面( facet的名词复数 );(事物的)面;方面
参考例句:
  • The question had many facets. 这个问题是多方面的。 来自《简明英汉词典》
  • A fully cut brilliant diamond has 68 facets. 经过充分切刻的光彩夺目的钻石有68个小平面。 来自《简明英汉词典》
12 determined duszmP     
adj.坚定的;有决心的
参考例句:
  • I have determined on going to Tibet after graduation.我已决定毕业后去西藏。
  • He determined to view the rooms behind the office.他决定查看一下办公室后面的房间。
13 karate gahzT     
n.空手道(日本的一种徒手武术)
参考例句:
  • Alice's boyfriend knew a little karate.艾丽斯的男朋友懂一点儿空手道。
  • The black belt is the highest level in karate.黑腰带级是空手道的最高级别。
14 judo dafzK     
n.柔道
参考例句:
  • The judo is a kind of fighting sport.柔道是一种对抗性体育活动。
  • Which is more important in judo, strength or techniques?柔道运动中,力量和技术哪个更重要?
15 chauffeur HrGzL     
n.(受雇于私人或公司的)司机;v.为…开车
参考例句:
  • The chauffeur handed the old lady from the car.这个司机搀扶这个老太太下汽车。
  • She went out herself and spoke to the chauffeur.她亲自走出去跟汽车司机说话。
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