-
(单词翻译:双击或拖选)
'My Year Of Guards And Guns': Megyn Kelly On Standing1 Up To Trump2 And Ailes
play pause stop mute unmute max volume 00:0008:03repeat repeat off Update Required To play the media you will need to either update your browser3 to a recent version or update your Flash plugin. KELLY MCEVERS, HOST:
In August 2015, Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly's life changed. It was the first Republican primary debate, and it was when Kelly asked this question of then candidate Donald Trump.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
MEGYN KELLY: Your Twitter account has several disparaging4 comments about women's looks. You once told a contestant5 on "Celebrity6 Apprentice7" it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament8 of a man we should elect as president? And how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who is likely to be the Democratic nominee9, that you are part of the war on women?
MCEVERS: The next day, Trump told an interviewer Megyn Kelly, quote, "had a blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever." And then came the threats from Trump supporters. It was the start of what Megyn Kelly in her new memoir10 calls her year of Trump.
KELLY: It was my year of guards and guns, you know, thanks to Trump. It was - I was under security threat for most of the nine months he was really coming after me. I had strange people showing up at my house. I had strange people casing my house. I had, you know, my children looking out the windows, afraid of who was coming up, not understanding who was popping up on our porch.
MCEVERS: Yeah, I mean it was people coming after you online - Trump supporters. But then there were also I mean things that people said online that Trump's, you know, own people re-tweeted. I mean talk about that.
KELLY: Well, I mean by far the tweet that bothered me the most was that of Trump's top lawyer, Michael Cohen, who is a senior executive with the Trump Organization. And when things were at a fever pitch after that first debate, Michael Cohen retweeted somebody saying, let's gut11 her.
You know, I go through in the book about how a senior executive at Fox, Bill Shine, called Michael Cohen and tried to walk him off the ledge12 and tried to stand him down on the threatening rhetoric13, explaining, look; let me put it in terms you can understand (laughter). If Megyn Kelly gets killed, it's not going to help your candidate. And this guy Cohen didn't seem to care.
MCEVERS: And went on for months - I mean you had security. And then at some point you decided14 to reach out to Trump. You wanted to interview him for a primetime special called "Megyn Kelly Presents." And before doing that, you asked him for a meeting.
The meeting was off the record you write in your book, so you can't talk about, you know, the details of what was said, but you do say that he was very polite and that afterwards, the attacks stopped. Do you think that's because you reached out to him? Like, you had to lose, like, a little bit of face, and then he was going to be OK.
KELLY: Well, I do think it's because I reached out to him, but I don't think it - I don't feel that I did lose face. I mean to me, that was an empowering moment because no one was able to stop his antics. And I realized it would be up to me. And there was no way I was going to go and apologize to Trump, which is what he wanted. He wanted me to apologize for my debate question. That was not going to happen.
But I needed him to stop that behavior. And that interview and my meeting at Trump Tower seemed like a very safe off-ramp to get him off of his behavior and to get both of us back on solid footing. And it worked.
MCEVERS: It's interesting, you know, if you think about a President Trump going forward. And you know, it could be - there could be a lesson in there for someone who could feel like his enemy - that maybe the way to work with him is to work with him, is to come to the bargaining table.
KELLY: Well, I mean I - I'm a little worried about that because not everybody has the opportunity to go to Trump Tower, (laughter) right?
MCEVERS: Right.
KELLY: And so I had a unique opportunity there, and I seized it. I hope in part - honestly I hope that maybe upon hearing in more detail what it does to somebody on the receiving end of his attentions, he - maybe he'll have some more pause because he's more powerful now and can affect far more people's lives actually with far less effort.
MCEVERS: I guess in this weird15 way, like, this year, your year of Trump, while it was a scary in some ways and difficult in other ways year - has also been a good year for you - I mean a book deal, an offer of $20 million contract from Fox. I mean you're reaching a lot of audience on your show. Is that a contrast that you think about?
KELLY: No because with all due respect to Trump, I was doing just fine without him (laughter). And for the record, my book offer came before Trump. As far as, you know, my Fox offer and my salary and all that, I had no trouble getting any offers or interest from Fox News even before Trump as well.
And Trump spent most of the year trying to destroy my career (laughter), not to lift it up. And it's certainly true that his attentions made me better known. You know, they made me better known. But I would submit to you it was the way in which I handled Trump's attentions that earned me whatever respect is out there as a result of this year.
MCEVERS: There is another big revelation in this book, though, and it's that you say you were sexually harassed16 by Roger Ailes. He's the founder17 and former head of Fox News. What happened?
KELLY: My own experience with him - it happened when I was - I'd been at the company for 12 months, and...
MCEVERS: What year was it?
KELLY: It was 2006. He started off - just inappropriate sexual comments. It wasn't like, hey, you look nice in that dress. It was, I'm sure you have some very sexy bras. And he wanted to see me in them. But then he would veer18 back and forth19 between that and really useful, professional advice.
So I would try to laugh it off, or I would try to just make a comment about work, you know, to sort of get back on the straight and narrow. And over those six months, it got more egregious20. And it ultimately culminated21 in an incident where he did try to get physical with me. And I wound up running out of his office and calling a lawyer.
I made a record of everything he did, and then I did go and tell a supervisor22. And that supervisor told me that this was a good man, that he was likely just smitten23 and that I should try to avoid him and hopefully it would stop. And that's what I did. And it did stop. And we went on to have nine years of a professional, good working relationship with one another.
MCEVERS: Right. I mean he promoted you. You took good maternity24 leave during your three pregnancies25. I mean you even got promoted I think when you were away for one of them as I recall from the book.
KELLY: Yep.
MCEVERS: But do you regret not taking it further at that time? You told your supervisor you retain counsel, but do you think you could have taken it further?
KELLY: You know, it's hard to say I regret it because if I had done that, it would have been a kamikaze mission and not even because I think the only one who would have been brought down was me.
MCEVERS: Roger Ailes ultimately left Fox News after one of Megyn Kelly's former colleagues, Gretchen Carlson, sued him for sexual harassment26. It's only now, Megyn Kelly told me, that she can encourage other women to come forward now that she has power. Megyn Kelly insists she is not a feminist27, but she does want to be a role model for other women.
KELLY: I would like to believe that if this were happening to a young woman in the position I was in then, that she would feel comfortable coming to someone like me because I know if somebody came to me now, I'd make damn sure there was an investigation28.
MCEVERS: Megyn Kelly, thank you so much.
KELLY: Thanks for having me.
MCEVERS: Megyn Kelly's new book is called "Settle For More." You can hear an extended version of our conversation on npr.org or the NPR One app. We did reach out to Roger Ailes' lawyer, but we didn't hear back. In his statement to other news organizations, he said, quote, "I categorically deny the allegations Megyn Kelly makes about me."
收听单词发音 |
1
standing
|
|
| n.持续，地位；adj.永久的，不动的，直立的，不流动的 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
2
trump
|
|
| n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
3
browser
|
|
| n.浏览者 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
4
disparaging
|
|
| adj.轻蔑的，毁谤的v.轻视( disparage的现在分词 )；贬低；批评；非难 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
5
contestant
|
|
| n.竞争者，参加竞赛者 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
6
celebrity
|
|
| n.名人，名流；著名，名声，名望 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
7
apprentice
|
|
| n.学徒，徒弟 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
8
temperament
|
|
| n.气质，性格，性情 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
9
nominee
|
|
| n.被提名者；被任命者；被推荐者 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
10
memoir
|
|
| n.[pl.]回忆录，自传；记事录 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
11
gut
|
|
| n.[pl.]胆量；内脏；adj.本能的；vt.取出内脏 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
12
ledge
|
|
| n.壁架，架状突出物；岩架，岩礁 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
13
rhetoric
|
|
| n.修辞学，浮夸之言语 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
14
decided
|
|
| adj.决定了的，坚决的；明显的，明确的 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
15
weird
|
|
| adj.古怪的，离奇的；怪诞的，神秘而可怕的 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
16
harassed
|
|
| adj. 疲倦的，厌烦的 动词harass的过去式和过去分词 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
17
Founder
|
|
| n.创始者，缔造者 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
18
veer
|
|
| vt.转向，顺时针转，改变；n.转向 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
19
forth
|
|
| adv.向前；向外，往外 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
20
egregious
|
|
| adj.非常的，过分的 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
21
culminated
|
|
| v.达到极点( culminate的过去式和过去分词 ) | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
22
supervisor
|
|
| n.监督人，管理人，检查员，督学，主管，导师 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
23
smitten
|
|
| 猛打，重击，打击( smite的过去分词 ) | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
24
maternity
|
|
| n.母性，母道，妇产科病房；adj.孕妇的，母性的 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
25
pregnancies
|
|
| 怀孕，妊娠( pregnancy的名词复数 ) | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
26
harassment
|
|
| n.骚扰，扰乱，烦恼，烦乱 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
27
feminist
|
|
| adj.主张男女平等的，女权主义的 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
|
28
investigation
|
|
| n.调查，调查研究 | |
参考例句： |
|
|
|
购买
在百度中搜索