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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:
Browsing1 through a weighty new anthology called "The Annotated2 African American Folktales" is a journey across space and time. In one chapter called Defiance3 and Desire, there's a section devoted4 to flying Africans where there's a lyric5 that I was familiar with. It's a song Paul Robeson recorded many years ago.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "ALL GOD'S CHILLUN GOT WINGS")
PAUL ROBESON: (Singing) I got wings. You got wings. All of God's children got wings. When I get to heaven, going to hitch6 on my wings. I'm going to fly all over God's heaven, heaven, heaven...
SIEGEL: There are also folk tales told by slaves of newly arrived Africans who, unlike the slaves, had not yet lost the ability to fly and stories of Africans who escaped slavery by flying back to Africa. "The Annotated African American Folktales" is edited by two Harvard professor, Henry Louis Gates, who's a professor of English and African and African-American literature, and Maria Tatar, who's a professor of folklore7 and mythology8 and Germanic languages and literature. Welcome to both of you.
HENRY LOUIS GATES: Thanks so much, Robert.
MARIA TATAR: Thanks for having us.
SIEGEL: And professor Tatar, you have edited in the past "The Annotated Brothers Grimm." Compared to that work, was there a special challenge in editing a collection of African-American folk tales?
TATAR: Well, I would say that these are stories that have the same high coefficient of weirdness9. They have that magical quality. They give us mysteries wrapped in enigmas10 inside riddles11. They are - we have to respond to them. We have to figure them out.
SIEGEL: Henry Louis Gates, those flying Africans would be (laughter) - would be an example of that magical weirdness in folk life. It's kind of surprising to me.
GATES: The relationship between flying, freedom and death is one of the curious things about the African-American oral tradition - that you would fly away, as Paul Robeson just so beautifully sang, but you fly away after death to heaven. You know, it wasn't a kind of magic carpet when you go to another world and then return to your previous life. It was a transition in the literal sense of going from one realm of existence to another.
And these stories are told with an enormous amount of admiration12 and respect. But also, it's a musing13 about a form of suicide, that it was better to will yourself back home to Africa, will yourself back to the other side of the Atlantic than to live the social death of human bondage14 here in the United States.
SIEGEL: In addition to African folk tales and dozens of stories and illustrations that fill over 600 pages, Gates and Tatar have devoted a chapter to Joel Chandler Harris. He was the white Georgia newspaperman who collected the folk tales of southern blacks. His Uncle Remus stories introduced generations of readers, many white readers to Br'er Rabbit and Br'er Fox.
Gates and Tatar do note that Joel Chandler Harris was a spokesman for what's been called the Arcadian South of Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben. His stories were later adapted by Disney for the movie "Song Of The South." And I asked the editors of this new anthology about including African-American folk tales that had been repurposed very profitably for white audiences.
GATES: Joel Chandler Harris did an enormous service. We can debate the fact that - well, he certainly wasn't a black man, and we could debate what his motivation was. And we could wonder, did African-Americans receive any percentage or share of the enormous profit that he made? The answer is absolutely not. But on the other hand, a lot of these tales would have been lost without Joel Chandler Harris.
TATAR: I was going to present the counter-argument. That is, did he kill African-American folklore because after all, if you look at the frame narrative15, who is Uncle Remus telling the stories to - a little white boy. And so suddenly this entire tradition has been appropriated for white audiences and made sort of charming rather than, you know, subversive16 and perilous17, dangerous, stories that could be told only at nighttime when the masters were not listening.
GATES: But think about it this way. It came into my parlor18. It came into my bedroom through the lips of a black man - my father - who would have us read the Uncle Remus tales but within a whole different context. And my father would - can we say, re-breath blackness into those folk tales.
SIEGEL: (Laughter).
TATAR: Fair enough.
GATES: So it's a very complicated legacy19.
SIEGEL: There is a chapter of the book that is devoted to ballads20, including John Henry, Railroad Bill and this song that was recorded by everyone from Lead Belly21 to Mae West to, in this instance, Taj Mahal. It's either "Frankie And Johnny" or "Frankie And Albert" depending on...
GATES: Yeah.
SIEGEL: ...On the choice.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FRANKIE AND ALBERT")
TAJ MAHAL: (Singing) Frankie and Albert were sweethearts. Lordy, how they could love - vowed22 to love one another, baby, beneath the stars above. It was her man, and he was doing her wrong.
SIEGEL: But he did her wrong.
GATES: He did her wrong (laughter).
SIEGEL: He did her wrong. A - not a folk song. I mean, is it just a very old, popular song, no?
TATAR: Well, it was inspired by an actual story. And these ballads really give us stories about people who break the law, who are transgressive, who do terrible things. They are full of melodrama23, treachery, betrayal. And again, all the - it's a story. The story of "Frankie And Johnny" gets us talking about this relationship, about murder, about how marriage is an institution. Well, let's say even relationships are haunted by the threat of murder. There is violence at the core of these stories.
GATES: And I think it was Leslie Fiedler, if I'm remembering correctly, who said basically the two great themes of literature were love and death (laughter). And love and death return over and over again not only in the folktales but in the ballads - in the ballads that are all about - I'm in love; I used to be in love; I love my baby, and my baby doesn't love me, and so I'm going to kill somebody.
SIEGEL: (Laughter).
TATAR: I'm going to get my revenge, yeah.
GATES: I'm going to get my revenge.
(LAUGHTER)
SIEGEL: That's the completely reductionist version of an anthology of...
GATES: Right.
(LAUGHTER)
SIEGEL: ...Of ballads.
GATES: But it's true - and that they live through different iterations. And I love it. It's like links in a chain. And these chains go back hundreds of years from - starting today back through the written tradition, crossing over the - to the oral tradition. And people like Maria and me - our job is to put them in a form in which they can be consumed by a whole new generation.
TATAR: I see these stories as a way of listening to the ancestry24, as Toni Morrison would put it. And then I hope that this book will be a platform for making the stories new, making them our own again.
GATES: And that's precisely25 why we have two sets of dedications26 - Maria's and mine. And my dedication27 says, this volume is dedicated28 to Eleanor Margaret Gates-Hatley - l'dor va'dor, meaning generation to generation. That's my 3-year-old granddaughter (laughter). And I want these tales to be hers just like my father made these tales mine.
SIEGEL: Maria Tatar and Skip Gates - Henry Louis Gates Jr. - editors of "The Annotated African American Folk Tales," thanks so much for talking with us today.
GATES: Thank you, good brother.
TATAR: Thanks for inviting29 us.
(SOUNDBITE OF TAJ MAHAL SONG, "FRANKIE AND ALBERT")
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