PBS高端访谈:特朗普总统窃听门事件愈演愈烈

 　　JUDY WOODRUFF: And we turn now to the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. He is Democratic Representative Adam Schiff of California.

　　Congressman¹ Schiff, welcome back to the program.

　　What's the main thing that you think was clarified at today's hearing?

　　REP. ADAM SCHIFF, D-Calif.: Well, I think a number of things.

　　First, I think Director Comey made the case that he had opened an investigation² into potential agency with a foreign power or coordination³ with a foreign power. That's not done unless there is specific and credible⁴ information or evidence that someone is colluding.

　　I also think that it was significant that you had two directors directly rebuff the president's claims that he was illegally wiretapped or wiretapped at all by his predecessor⁵.

　　But more than that, I think the main takeaway, I hope, for the country from the hearing is a recognition of just what serious business this is, because, as Director Comey says, the Russians will do this again. And we really need a thorough investigation to determine just what the Russians did, how did they do it, were there U.S. persons involved, and how do we protect ourselves from their future efforts to interfere⁶?

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, I hear you say this, Congressman Schiff, and yet President Trump⁷ tweeted today that Admiral Rogers and the FBI director, Jim Comey, told Congress that Russia didn't influence the electoral process in the United States last year.

　　So, that doesn't seem to square with what you just said.

　　REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Well, it didn't square with what the witnesses said at the hearing either. And that was pointed⁸ by my colleague Jim Himes, who followed up with both directors and did some real-time fact-checking on the president.

　　And, of course, that's not what the directors said. The directors can't really comment. It's not their mission, their job or their expertise⁹ to say what effect the Russian interference had in terms of outcomes, but clearly they interfered¹⁰ with the electoral process.

　　And here's the problem. If the president is going to distort what the intelligence community says in open hearing, how can we have confidence when the president comes before the country to share what the intelligence agencies have told him in closed, classified session, because the country needs to know, because the president wants to take action, where the president needs to decide what the response should be to North Korea or around Iran?

　　How can we have confidence that the president is being truthful¹¹? And the short answer is, if he keeps this up, we can't. And that's a real danger to the country.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, what does that mean, Congressman Schiff? What are you saying you're worried that could happen?

　　REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Well, the best example I can give is, let's say, six months from now, the president says that Iran is cheating on the nuclear deal.

　　Obviously, if Iran isn't cheating, that's a big problem. If he's making this up, the way he's making up the claim that Barack Obama wiretapped him, that's a big problem. If the president is telling the truth, in a way, it's a bigger problem, because, will he be believed?

　　Will he be believed by the American people? Will he be believed by our allies that he needs to rally to reimpose sanctions or take some other action against Iran? Each time the president undermines his own credibility, he weakens himself, he weakens the institution of the presidency¹², he weakens the credibility of the entire country and our standing¹³ in the rest of the world.

　　And when there is a crisis, we pay a dear price for that loss of credibility.

　　特朗普总统窃听门事件愈演愈烈

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: On the other hand, Congressman, Republicans on the committee today were calling into question whether the intelligence community can be relied on.

　　They — question after question was about leaks coming from the intelligence community and anyone who had access to that information. The president, President Trump, is saying what the intelligence community says is fake news. He's dismissing it.

　　Republicans are saying they're leaking all over the place. So, I guess my question — and then you also had Congressman Trey Gowdy, your Republican colleague on the committee, saying that perhaps the FISA court, the courts that authorize¹⁴ much of their investigation, may be in trouble.

　　Are you confident that an investigation is going to be thoroughly¹⁵ carried out here?

　　REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Well, on the leak issue, first of all, I think we have to understand just the breadth of what people are talking about when they talk about leaks.

　　The leaks that most concern me, that ought to most concern the country is when information is leaked that betrays sources and methods of information that our allies — well, that expose us to danger, because our enemies can then perpetrate attacks because we lose those confidential¹⁶ sources of information. Those are the most serious leaks.

　　What seems to really upset the administration is a different kind of leak. It's a leak that exposes malfeasance within the administration. What really upset the president wasn't the fact that Mike Flynn was unmasked to the country and that Mike Flynn was exposed as having lied to the country and the vice¹⁷ president about his conversations with the Russian ambassador.

　　What really upset the president was that, essentially¹⁸, he was caught in the lie. And you will remember, even after firing Flynn, he wanted to praise Flynn and castigate¹⁹ the press.

　　That's something very different. That's a leak that discloses malfeasance in the administration.

　　And I would say, look, this leak problem, every administration has it. And one of the things my GOP colleagues didn't want to acknowledge today — and the president certainly doesn't want to acknowledge — is, they can say we think, we fear, we suspect this is coming from the intelligence community. They're a bunch of Nazis²⁰.

　　That's essentially the president's original tweet on this. But it's also very possible that some of these leaks are coming from the White House itself, and a division among people, staff in the White House…

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: You mean from the Trump White House?

　　REP. ADAM SCHIFF: From the Trump White House, exactly, because, of course, the Trump White House knew this information as well.

　　And there have been lots of public reports about how there's infighting among the Trump administration and to watch your back. Well, maybe somebody wanted Michael Flynn out among the president's own team. I don't know that that's happened, but if we're serious about this, I would say to my GOP colleagues, be careful what you wish for, because the trail may lead right back to the White House.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Congressman Adam Schiff, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, thank you. And we will be talking to you again, I know.

　　REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Thank you.

1 Congressman   

n.（美）国会议员

参考例句：

• He related several anecdotes about his first years as a congressman.他讲述自己初任议员那几年的几则轶事。
• The congressman is meditating a reply to his critics.这位国会议员正在考虑给他的批评者一个答复。

2 investigation   

n.调查，调查研究

参考例句：

• In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
• He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。

3 coordination   

n.协调，协作

参考例句：

• Gymnastics is a sport that requires a considerable level of coordination.体操是一项需要高协调性的运动。
• The perfect coordination of the dancers and singers added a rhythmic charm to the performance.舞蹈演员和歌手们配合得很好，使演出更具魅力。

4 credible   

adj.可信任的，可靠的

参考例句：

• The news report is hardly credible.这则新闻报道令人难以置信。
• Is there a credible alternative to the nuclear deterrent?是否有可以取代核威慑力量的可靠办法？

5 predecessor   

n.前辈，前任

参考例句：

• It will share the fate of its predecessor.它将遭受与前者同样的命运。
• The new ambassador is more mature than his predecessor.新大使比他的前任更成熟一些。

6 interfere   

v.(in)干涉，干预；(with)妨碍，打扰

参考例句：

• If we interfere, it may do more harm than good.如果我们干预的话，可能弊多利少。
• When others interfere in the affair,it always makes troubles. 别人一卷入这一事件，棘手的事情就来了。

7 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

8 pointed   

adj.尖的，直截了当的

参考例句：

• He gave me a very sharp pointed pencil.他给我一支削得非常尖的铅笔。
• She wished to show Mrs.John Dashwood by this pointed invitation to her brother.她想通过对达茨伍德夫人提出直截了当的邀请向她的哥哥表示出来。

9 expertise   

n.专门知识(或技能等)，专长

参考例句：

• We were amazed at his expertise on the ski slopes.他斜坡滑雪的技能使我们赞叹不已。
• You really have the technical expertise in a new breakthrough.让你真正在专业技术上有一个全新的突破。

10 interfered   

v.干预( interfere的过去式和过去分词 )；调停；妨碍；干涉

参考例句：

• Complete absorption in sports interfered with his studies. 专注于运动妨碍了他的学业。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• I am not going to be interfered with. 我不想别人干扰我的事情。 来自《简明英汉词典》

11 truthful   

adj.真实的，说实话的，诚实的

参考例句：

• You can count on him for a truthful report of the accident.你放心，他会对事故作出如实的报告的。
• I don't think you are being entirely truthful.我认为你并没全讲真话。

12 presidency   

n.总统(校长，总经理)的职位(任期)

参考例句：

• Roosevelt was elected four times to the presidency of the United States.罗斯福连续当选四届美国总统。
• Two candidates are emerging as contestants for the presidency.两位候选人最终成为总统职位竞争者。

13 standing   

n.持续，地位；adj.永久的，不动的，直立的，不流动的

参考例句：

• After the earthquake only a few houses were left standing.地震过后只有几幢房屋还立着。
• They're standing out against any change in the law.他们坚决反对对法律做任何修改。

14 authorize   

v.授权，委任；批准，认可

参考例句：

• He said that he needed to get his supervisor to authorize my refund.他说必须让主管人员批准我的退款。
• Only the President could authorize the use of the atomic bomb.只有总统才能授权使用原子弹。

15 thoroughly   

adv.完全地，彻底地，十足地

参考例句：

• The soil must be thoroughly turned over before planting.一定要先把土地深翻一遍再下种。
• The soldiers have been thoroughly instructed in the care of their weapons.士兵们都系统地接受过保护武器的训练。

16 confidential   

adj.秘（机）密的，表示信任的，担任机密工作的

参考例句：

• He refused to allow his secretary to handle confidential letters.他不让秘书处理机密文件。
• We have a confidential exchange of views.我们推心置腹地交换意见。

17 vice   

n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的

参考例句：

• He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
• They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。

18 essentially   

adv.本质上，实质上，基本上

参考例句：

• Really great men are essentially modest.真正的伟人大都很谦虚。
• She is an essentially selfish person.她本质上是个自私自利的人。

19 castigate   

v.谴责；惩治

参考例句：

• The principal castigate the student who have insult their teacher.校长谴责对老师不敬的学生。
• Marx never lost an opportunity to castigate colonialism.马克思抓住每一个机会严厉谴责殖民主义。

20 Nazis   

n.（德国的）纳粹党员( Nazi的名词复数 )；纳粹主义

参考例句：

• The Nazis worked them over with gun butts. 纳粹分子用枪托毒打他们。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The Nazis were responsible for the mass murder of Jews during World War Ⅱ. 纳粹必须为第二次世界大战中对犹太人的大屠杀负责。 来自《简明英汉词典》