PBS高端访谈:科米遭解雇是否会影响到联邦调查局的工作?

 　　Meantime, inside the FBI, morale¹ among agents had taken a beating months before last night's firing of Director James Comey.

　　We take a look at how agents have been responding and what it means for the bureau's work going forward with Matt Apuzzo.

　　He has been covering all this closely for The New York Times.

　　Matt, so what is your reporting telling you what about preceded this blockbuster announcement yesterday?

　　Well, as you heard from Lisa, the big news in terms of the investigation² was that, in the days before his firing,

　　Jim Comey was talking to the Justice Department about expanding the investigation by getting some more prosecutors³ involved, more resources.

　　And the person he was speaking with was Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general.

　　Now, that is coming — that information is coming from congressional officials,

　　including Dick Durbin from Democratic leadership, who says that that really is calling into question the motives⁴ of the president for firing Jim Comey,

　　at a time when it appeared that Comey was really trying to step up the investigation.

　　Well, I want to ask you about that, because there is reporting today that Director Comey had gone to his superiors,

　　I guess, to the attorney general in recent days, asking to expand the Russia investigation, asking for more resources. What you have learned about that?

　　Well, you know, the Justice Department is flatly denying that,

　　even though members of Congress are saying that Comey actually briefed them on this as part of his routine briefings on the status of the counterintelligence investigation earlier this week.

　　The Justice Department is saying, no, that they didn't get a request for more resources. Members of Congress are saying they were

　　they were specifically briefed by Comey that he wanted to expand the investigation and was asking for more prosecutors.

　　So, I mean, look, we don't know at this point. Is that is that what led to Jim Comey's firing? Was it — was it the Russia investigation?

　　Was it a general sense that Comey was never going to be a Trump⁵ guy, just frankly⁶, like he wasn't really an Obama guy, that he was

　　for a president who puts a real premium⁷ on loyalty⁸, was Jim Comey just too much of a — you know, an independent wild card for this administration?

　　This's just a lot of things where we're still trying to get a handle on, because, as your reporters said earlier, a lot of this just doesn't line up.

　　A lot of the stated reasoning for why they wanted to fire Jim Comey just doesn't totally line up.

　　What is your reporting telling you, Matt Apuzzo, about the sense inside the Justice Department,

　　inside the FBI about whether this Russia investigation can go forward in an independent way, in a way that people will find credible⁹?

　　Well, I think that the sense at the FBI is, we move forward.

　　The acting¹⁰ director, Andrew McCabe, is a career FBI agent.

　　You know, there would be no reason for him to put the brakes on the Russia investigation, you know, just because Jim Comey was fired.

　　I think the concern among the agents is not where things are today.

　　And, frankly, the concern isn't that a new director is going — or that the Justice Department is going to put the brakes on and just shut down the Russia investigation.

　　But what the Justice Department can do, if it wants to, is, it can just throw up a lot of hurdles¹¹ and roadblocks and make it difficult for FBI agents to investigate Russia. And that's really the concern.

　　But, in general, I think there's — the mood is down at the FBI right now. Comey was a well-liked manager.

　　Even agents who disagreed with some of the decisions he made in the Clinton case regarded him as professional and well-intentioned and a strong leader.

　　This is probably the most public and strong FBI director the bureau has had since J. Edgar Hoover. So, there's clearly a sense of loss at the FBI today.

　　And I quickly want to press you on that, because, at the White House today, they were saying, no, that Jim Comey had lost the confidence of much of the employees at the FBI, at the bureau.

　　Yes, they didn't really elaborate on that. Look, I know there are people at the FBI who disagreed with the decisions that Jim Comey made.

　　There are 17,000 FBI agents. Are there some who had lost confidence in the FBI director? I'm sure that's the case.

　　But all the reporting that I have done and the reporting that my colleague Adam Goldman does,

　　who covers the FBI for The New York Times, is that this was a real this was a real jolt¹², and a real down moment for the FBI.

　　And as one agent I have known for a long time said, you know, Donald Trump lost the FBI today. Now, can he get it back? You know, we will see who he nominates.

　　But it's not good for the president to have an FBI feeling like they're a little bit under siege or that the president doesn't trust their independence.

　　Matt Apuzzo with The New York Times, some excellent reporting. Thank you, Matt.

　　Thank you so much for having me. undefined

1 morale   

n.道德准则，士气，斗志

参考例句：

• The morale of the enemy troops is sinking lower every day.敌军的士气日益低落。
• He tried to bolster up their morale.他尽力鼓舞他们的士气。

2 investigation   

n.调查，调查研究

参考例句：

• In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
• He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。

3 prosecutors   

检举人( prosecutor的名词复数 )； 告发人； 起诉人； 公诉人

参考例句：

• In some places,public prosecutors are elected rather than appointed. 在有些地方，检察官是经选举而非任命产生的。 来自口语例句
• You've been summoned to the Prosecutors' Office, 2 days later. 你在两天以后被宣到了检察官的办公室。

4 motives   

n.动机，目的( motive的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• to impeach sb's motives 怀疑某人的动机
• His motives are unclear. 他的用意不明。

5 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

6 frankly   

adv.坦白地，直率地；坦率地说

参考例句：

• To speak frankly, I don't like the idea at all.老实说，我一点也不赞成这个主意。
• Frankly speaking, I'm not opposed to reform.坦率地说，我不反对改革。

7 premium   

n.加付款；赠品；adj.高级的；售价高的

参考例句：

• You have to pay a premium for express delivery.寄快递你得付额外费用。
• Fresh water was at a premium after the reservoir was contaminated.在水库被污染之后，清水便因稀而贵了。

8 loyalty   

n.忠诚，忠心

参考例句：

• She told him the truth from a sense of loyalty.她告诉他真相是出于忠诚。
• His loyalty to his friends was never in doubt.他对朋友的一片忠心从来没受到怀疑。

9 credible   

adj.可信任的，可靠的

参考例句：

• The news report is hardly credible.这则新闻报道令人难以置信。
• Is there a credible alternative to the nuclear deterrent?是否有可以取代核威慑力量的可靠办法？

10 acting   

n.演戏，行为，假装；adj.代理的，临时的，演出用的

参考例句：

• Ignore her,she's just acting.别理她，她只是假装的。
• During the seventies,her acting career was in eclipse.在七十年代，她的表演生涯黯然失色。

11 hurdles   

n.障碍( hurdle的名词复数 )；跳栏；（供人或马跳跃的）栏架；跨栏赛

参考例句：

• In starting a new company, many hurdles must be crossed. 刚开办一个公司时，必须克服许多障碍。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• There are several hurdles to be got over in this project. 在这项工程中有一些困难要克服。 来自辞典例句

12 jolt   

v.（使）摇动，（使）震动，（使）颠簸

参考例句：

• We were worried that one tiny jolt could worsen her injuries.我们担心稍微颠簸一下就可能会使她的伤势恶化。
• They were working frantically in the fear that an aftershock would jolt the house again.他们拼命地干着，担心余震可能会使房子再次受到震动。