PBS高端访谈:白宫方面为何考虑取消对俄罗斯的制裁

 　　Good evening and thanks for joining us. For the second day in a row, Russian President Vladimir Putin is rejecting the assertion by American intelligence agencies

　　that Russians meddled¹ in last year's U.S. presidential election to the potential benefit of Donald Trump².

　　In an excerpt³ from an interview with NBC News to be broadcast tomorrow, Putin suggests hackers⁴, even in the U.S., could have planted evidence to frame Russia.

　　Hackers can be anywhere. They can be in Russia, in Asia. There can even be hackers by the way, in the United States,

　　who very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame, as we say, onto Russia.

　　Anti-Trump demonstrators in Washington and many other cities today staged what they called "Marches for Truth", demanding answers on election meddling⁵ and the release of the president's tax returns.

　　At the same time, supporters of Mr. Trump and his decision this week to withdraw from the Paris climate change accord rallied outside the White House.

　　As a special counsel ramps⁶ up his probe into Russian hacking⁷ and possible collusion with the Trump campaign,

　　one pending⁸ question is why the Trump administration has considered lifting economic sanctions on and returning seized diplomatic compounds in the U.S. to Russia?

　　"Yahoo News" chief investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff reported on that angle this week, and joins me now from Washington.

　　So, let's talk a little bit about these economic sanctions. Your reporting seems to show that there was pressure from the Trump administration very early on to get these lifted.

　　Exactly. In its first few days, there were taskings to the State Department to develop proposals to ease tensions with Russia.

　　And what the Trump people were looking for were proposals to ease or lift sanctions that had been imposed by the Obama administration on Russia after its interference

　　intervention¹⁰ in Ukraine, and its meddling in the presidential election.

　　What would the U.S. get back? It was cooperation– sort of future cooperation in the fight against ISIS?

　　Right. That was what disturbed so many people in the State Department. These sanctions were imposed for specific reasons, as a punishment,

　　and without an acknowledgment of that, without an agreement by the Russians to live up to the Minsk accords in Ukraine,

　　to end the violence there, and acknowledge its role in the election, these were seen as unilateral concessions¹¹ to the Russians.

　　Subsequently, there was actually push-back from Republican members like Lindsey Graham, who said that we shouldn't go out of our way to give them something for nothing.

　　There was a fierce bureaucratic¹² in-fighting that took place as a result of this. Folks who got these tasking orders, people who were aware in the government,

　　who were aware of what the Trump White House was looking to do or exploring to do went to allies — Dan Fried, a veteran State Department diplomat⁹ who was the coordinator¹³ for U.S. sanctions policy,

　　was still there, still at the State Department. Tom Malinowski, who just stepped down as assistant secretary of state, and alerted them to what it looked like the Trump White House was about to do.

　　And then, Fried and Malinowski then went to allies on Capitol Hill — Senator McCain's office, Ben Cardin, the ranking Democrat¹⁴ on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

　　and prodded¹⁵ them to push legislation that would effectively block the Trump White House from doing this, to codify¹⁶ the sanctions so they could not be unilaterally lifted by the White House.

　　This is a part of the larger pattern, an interest or an instinct the administration has toward Russia?

　　Well, I think it's a big missing piece of the puzzle. We've talked a lot for months now about whether there was collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians in its meddling in the election.

　　We've spent a lot of time talking about those meetings during the transition — Jared Kushner, Michael Flynn meeting with the Russian ambassador and a Russian banker.

　　The question is, what did the Russians want or hope to get from the Trump administration? And there's no question, the number one item on their agenda was the lifting of sanctions.

　　That's what they were hoping to get from the Trump White House. That's what they wanted from the administration.

　　All right. Michael Isikoff of "Yahoo News", thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. undefined

1 meddled   

v.干涉，干预（他人事务）( meddle的过去式和过去分词 )

参考例句：

• Someone has meddled with the photographs I laid out so carefully. 有人把我精心布置的照片弄乱了。 来自辞典例句
• The gifts of charity meddled with a man's private affair. 慈善团体的帮助实际上是干涉私人的事务。 来自互联网

2 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

3 excerpt   

n.摘录，选录，节录

参考例句：

• This is an excerpt from a novel.这是一部小说的摘录。
• Can you excerpt something from the newspaper? 你能从报纸上选录些东西吗？

4 hackers   

n.计算机迷( hacker的名词复数 )；私自存取或篡改电脑资料者，电脑“黑客”

参考例句：

• They think of viruses that infect an organization from the outside.They envision hackers breaking into their information vaults. 他们考虑来自外部的感染公司的病毒，他们设想黑客侵入到信息宝库中。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• Arranging a meeting with the hackers took weeks againoff-again email exchanges. 通过几星期电子邮件往来安排见面，他们最终同意了。 来自互联网

5 meddling   

v.干涉，干预（他人事务）( meddle的现在分词 )

参考例句：

• He denounced all "meddling" attempts to promote a negotiation. 他斥责了一切“干预”促成谈判的企图。 来自辞典例句
• They liked this field because it was never visited by meddling strangers. 她们喜欢这块田野，因为好事的陌生人从来不到那里去。 来自辞典例句

6 ramps   

resources allocation and multiproject scheduling 资源分配和多项目的行程安排

参考例句：

• Ramps should be provided for wheelchair users. 应该给轮椅使用者提供坡道。
• He has the upper floor and ramps are fitted everywhere for his convenience. 他住在上面一层，为了他的方便着想，到处设有坡道。

7 hacking   

n.非法访问计算机系统和数据库的活动

参考例句：

• The patient with emphysema is hacking all day. 这个肺气肿病人整天不断地干咳。
• We undertook the task of hacking our way through the jungle. 我们负责在丛林中开路。

8 pending   

prep.直到，等待…期间；adj.待定的；迫近的

参考例句：

• The lawsuit is still pending in the state court.这案子仍在州法庭等待定夺。
• He knew my examination was pending.他知道我就要考试了。

9 diplomat   

n.外交官，外交家；能交际的人，圆滑的人

参考例句：

• The diplomat threw in a joke, and the tension was instantly relieved.那位外交官插进一个笑话，紧张的气氛顿时缓和下来。
• He served as a diplomat in Russia before the war.战前他在俄罗斯当外交官。

10 intervention   

n.介入，干涉，干预

参考例句：

• The government's intervention in this dispute will not help.政府对这场争论的干预不会起作用。
• Many people felt he would be hostile to the idea of foreign intervention.许多人觉得他会反对外来干预。

11 concessions   

n.（尤指由政府或雇主给予的）特许权( concession的名词复数 )；承认；减价；（在某地的）特许经营权

参考例句：

• The firm will be forced to make concessions if it wants to avoid a strike. 要想避免罢工，公司将不得不作出一些让步。
• The concessions did little to placate the students. 让步根本未能平息学生的愤怒。

12 bureaucratic   

adj.官僚的，繁文缛节的

参考例句：

• The sweat of labour washed away his bureaucratic airs.劳动的汗水冲掉了他身上的官气。
• In this company you have to go through complex bureaucratic procedures just to get a new pencil.在这个公司里即使是领一支新铅笔，也必须通过繁琐的手续。

13 coordinator   

n.协调人

参考例句：

• The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, headed by the Emergency Relief Coordinator, coordinates all UN emergency relief. 联合国人道主义事务协调厅在紧急救济协调员领导下，负责协调联合国的所有紧急救济工作。
• How am I supposed to find the client-relations coordinator? 我怎么才能找到客户关系协调员的办公室？

14 democrat   

n.民主主义者，民主人士；民主党党员

参考例句：

• The Democrat and the Public criticized each other.民主党人和共和党人互相攻击。
• About two years later,he was defeated by Democrat Jimmy Carter.大约两年后，他被民主党人杰米卡特击败。

15 prodded   

v.刺，戳( prod的过去式和过去分词 )；刺激；促使；（用手指或尖物）戳

参考例句：

• She prodded him in the ribs to wake him up. 她用手指杵他的肋部把他叫醒。
• He prodded at the plate of fish with his fork. 他拿叉子戳弄着那盘鱼。 来自《简明英汉词典》

16 codify   

v.将法律、法规等编成法典

参考例句：

• The noble,Dracon,was asked to codify the laws.贵族德拉古被选为立法者。
• The new government promised to codify the laws.新政府应允要编纂法典。