PBS高端访谈:伊丽莎白·霍姆斯诉讼案对硅谷有何影响?

Elizabeth Holmes, the founder¹ of the former health technology company Theranos, faced cross-examination today for the first time in the fraud case against her.

伊丽莎白·霍姆斯，前健康技术公司Theranos的创始人，今天首次因诈骗案面临交互讯问。

Federal prosecutors² have called 29 witnesses over 11 weeks, in an attempt to reveal the alleged³ deception⁴ that led investors⁵ and patients to believe the company could conduct a range of tests using just a few drops of blood.

联邦检察官在11周内传唤了29名证人，试图揭露该公司涉嫌的欺诈行为。该欺诈行为曾让投资者和患者相信，该公司仅用几滴血就可以进行一系列测试。

The start-up collapsed⁶ in 2018.

这家初创企业于2018年倒闭。

Rebecca Jarvis is the chief business, technology,and economics correspondent for ABC News and the host of "The Dropout,"a podcast about Holmes and the on going trial, which is being held in San Jose.

黎贝卡·贾维斯是美国广播公司新闻(ABC News)的首席商务，技术和经济学通讯员，也是“The Dropout”节目的主持人，这是一个播客节目，报导了霍姆斯和其正在圣何塞进行的审判。

Rebecca Jarvis, thank you very much for being with us.

黎贝卡·贾维斯，非常感谢你来到我们的节目。

The defense⁷ has only begun its side.

辩护方才刚刚开始。

The prosecution⁸ has spent, what, almost two months making this case or even longer.

控方花了差不多两个月的时间甚至更长时间来立案。

If you can, sum up what the prosecution was trying to do.

如果可以的话，请总结一下控方试图做什么。

Well, Judy, the prosecution has shown now in meticulous⁹ detail their allegations that Elizabeth Holmes was the one in charge of her company,Theranos, that she's the reason investors, patients and doctors were defrauded¹⁰ here.

朱迪，原告现在已经详细说明了他们的指控，即伊丽莎白·霍姆斯是她的公司Theranos的负责人，她是投资者、患者和医生在这里被诈骗的原因。

And they have shown us individuals, including investors, patients.

他们向我们展示了个人的指控，包括投资者，病人。

We have heard from doctors.

我们打听到了医生的信息。

We have heard from scientists inside the company.

我们从公司内部的科学家那里听到了消息。

We have heard from scientists outside the company, in meticulous detail, laying out this fraud and putting Elizabeth Holmes at the front of it.

我们从公司外的科学家那里打听到了详细的信息，他们揭露了这个骗局，并把伊丽莎白·霍姆斯推到了风口浪尖。

And she has just, as we said, taken the stand,I guess just before Thanksgiving.

她刚刚，就像我们说的，在感恩节之前出庭作证。

She's only-- we have only heard from her for a few days, but it's been dramatic, including her discussing being raped¹¹ in college.

我们几天前才听到她的消息，但事情很戏剧性，包括她谈到在大学被强奸的事。

Give us a sense of what she's saying and what the reaction's been.

让我们了解一下她说了什么，以及她的反应是什么。

Well, Judy, this has been explosive testimony¹².

朱迪，这是爆炸性的证词。

We have barely heard from Elizabeth Holmes since the charges were first brought and,

自从指控首次提出以来，我们几乎没有听到伊丽莎白·霍姆斯的消息，

frankly¹³, have never heard some of the things she's been saying on the stand, and seen here in the way she's behaved on the stand, getting emotional, talking about,

坦率地说，我们从来没有听到过她在证人席上说的一些话，我们看到她在证人席上的表现，变得情绪化，谈论你提到的在斯坦福大学被强奸的事情，

as you mentioned, being raped as a college studentat Stanford, that being, according to her, one of the reasons she decided¹⁴ to drop out of Stanfordand begin her blood testing company, Theranos.

正如你提到的，据她说，这是她决定从斯坦福大学退学并创办她的血液检测公司Theranos的原因之一。

And she's also raised these allegations which we thought might come up at this trial against her former boyfriend and COO, Sunny Balwani,

她还提出了这些指控，我们认为这些指控可能会出现在针对她的前男友兼首席运营官桑尼·巴尔瓦尼(Sunny Balwani)的审判中，

alleging¹⁵ years of abuse in the relationship, alleging it was emotional, it was physical, he dictated¹⁷ everything from her schedule to way that she ate.

指控她多年来在关系中受到虐待，声称这是情感上的，是身体上的，从她的日程安排到她的饮食方式，他支配了一切。

Now, these are claims he has denied vociferously¹⁸.

现在，这些说法，他是大声否认的。

But these are claims that she raised.

但这些都是她提出的主张。

And they are something that certainly the jurors now are going to have to think about as they think about the bigger picture question, whichis, did this woman intend to commit fraud?

当然，这也是陪审员们在考虑更大的问题时需要考虑的问题，也就是这个女人是否有意诈骗?

And what I have read, Rebecca, is that she's walking this fine line, because,on the one hand, she's saying she was heavily influenced by him over a period of time, but then she's now saying that he was not the reason she made these decisions as the head of the company.

黎贝卡，我读到的是她走在这条微妙的界线上，因为一方面，她说她在一段时间内受到了他的严重影响，但现在她又说，作为公司的负责人，她做出这些决定的原因不是他。

Well, and that's a really important point that you raised, Judy, because she was asked point blank by her own attorney, did Sunny Balwani dictate¹⁶ what you said to investors?

朱迪，这是你提出的非常重要的一点，因为她的律师直截了当地问她，你对投资者说的话是桑尼·巴尔瓦尼命令的吗?

Did he dictate what you shared with Walgreens, your biggest customer, Walgreens being the place, the one place where Theranos tests got in front of patients in this country?

是他命令你和沃尔格林分享的吗，沃尔格林是你最大的客户，也是这个国家让Theranos测试在病人面前进行的地方?

So she said point blank, no, that he was not a part of those decisions.That is the fraud here.

所以她直截了当地说，不，他没有参与这些决定。这里就是欺骗。

The fraud is not about the rest of these conversations and allegations, though they might make the jury feel more connected to her.

这些对话和指控的其余部分没有欺骗，尽管可能会让陪审团觉得与她更有联系。

Of course, they have sat in front of her now formany weeks.

当然，他们已经在她面前坐了好几个星期了。

She's been there in the trial with her family sitting behind her, her partner.

她一直在庭审现场，她的家人坐在她身后，她的伴侣。

They have been told that she's a new mom, she has a new born baby.

他们被告知她是一位新妈妈，她有一个新生儿。

And so they have really seen this woman for an extended span of time.

所以他们真的与这个女人待在一起很长一段时间了。

And, Rebecca, of course,whatever the jury decides will havean enormous impact on her.

当然，黎贝卡，无论陪审团做出什么决定，都会对她产生巨大的影响。

She could face up to 20 years in prison.

她可能面临最高20年的监禁。

But it's also seen as a case important for the future of Silicon¹⁹ Valley. How so?

但它也被视为硅谷未来的重要案例。怎么会这样呢？

Well, it raises these questions about faking it until you make it.

嗯，它提出了在你成功之前要假装的问题。

There are definitely people who believe that this is endemic to Silicon Valley, that this is the way people behave in Silicon Valley.

肯定有人认为这是硅谷特有的，这是硅谷人的行为方式。

And then there are those who think this is absolutely not the case.

还有一些人认为情况绝对不是这样的。

The bottom line here is, this is a woman who was able to raise more money than almost any other female founder.

最重要的是，这位女性比几乎任何其他女性创始人都能筹集到更多的资金。

She became one of the wealthiest self-made women in the world.

她成为世界上最富有的白手起家的女性之一。

At one point, her company was worth $9 billion.

她的公司一度价值90亿美元。

1 Founder   

n.创始者，缔造者

参考例句：

• He was extolled as the founder of their Florentine school.他被称颂为佛罗伦萨画派的鼻祖。
• According to the old tradition,Romulus was the founder of Rome.按照古老的传说，罗穆卢斯是古罗马的建国者。

2 prosecutors   

检举人( prosecutor的名词复数 )； 告发人； 起诉人； 公诉人

参考例句：

• In some places,public prosecutors are elected rather than appointed. 在有些地方，检察官是经选举而非任命产生的。 来自口语例句
• You've been summoned to the Prosecutors' Office, 2 days later. 你在两天以后被宣到了检察官的办公室。

3 alleged   

a.被指控的，嫌疑的

参考例句：

• It was alleged that he had taken bribes while in office. 他被指称在任时收受贿赂。
• alleged irregularities in the election campaign 被指称竞选运动中的不正当行为

4 deception   

n.欺骗，欺诈；骗局，诡计

参考例句：

• He admitted conspiring to obtain property by deception.他承认曾与人合谋骗取财产。
• He was jailed for two years for fraud and deception.他因为诈骗和欺诈入狱服刑两年。

5 investors   

n.投资者，出资者( investor的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• a con man who bilked investors out of millions of dollars 诈取投资者几百万元的骗子
• a cash bonanza for investors 投资者的赚钱机会

6 collapsed   

adj.倒塌的

参考例句：

• Jack collapsed in agony on the floor. 杰克十分痛苦地瘫倒在地板上。
• The roof collapsed under the weight of snow. 房顶在雪的重压下突然坍塌下来。

7 defense   

n.防御，保卫；[pl.]防务工事；辩护，答辩

参考例句：

• The accused has the right to defense.被告人有权获得辩护。
• The war has impacted the area with military and defense workers.战争使那个地区挤满了军队和防御工程人员。

8 prosecution   

n.起诉，告发，检举，执行，经营

参考例句：

• The Smiths brought a prosecution against the organizers.史密斯家对组织者们提出起诉。
• He attempts to rebut the assertion made by the prosecution witness.他试图反驳原告方证人所作的断言。

9 meticulous   

adj.极其仔细的，一丝不苟的

参考例句：

• We'll have to handle the matter with meticulous care.这事一点不能含糊。
• She is meticulous in her presentation of facts.她介绍事实十分详细。

10 defrauded   

v.诈取，骗取( defraud的过去式和过去分词 )

参考例句：

• He defrauded his employers of thousands of dollars. 他诈取了他的雇主一大笔钱。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• He defrauded them of their money. 他骗走了他们的钱。 来自辞典例句

11 raped   

v.以暴力夺取，强夺( rape的过去式和过去分词 )；强奸

参考例句：

• A young woman was brutally raped in her own home. 一名年轻女子在自己家中惨遭强暴。 来自辞典例句
• We got stick together, or we will be having our women raped. 我们得团结一致，不然我们的妻女就会遭到蹂躏。 来自辞典例句

12 testimony   

n.证词；见证，证明

参考例句：

• The testimony given by him is dubious.他所作的证据是可疑的。
• He was called in to bear testimony to what the police officer said.他被传入为警官所说的话作证。

13 frankly   

adv.坦白地，直率地；坦率地说

参考例句：

• To speak frankly, I don't like the idea at all.老实说，我一点也不赞成这个主意。
• Frankly speaking, I'm not opposed to reform.坦率地说，我不反对改革。

14 decided   

adj.决定了的，坚决的；明显的，明确的

参考例句：

• This gave them a decided advantage over their opponents.这使他们比对手具有明显的优势。
• There is a decided difference between British and Chinese way of greeting.英国人和中国人打招呼的方式有很明显的区别。

15 alleging   

断言，宣称，辩解( allege的现在分词 )

参考例句：

• His reputation was blemished by a newspaper article alleging he'd evaded his taxes. 由于报上一篇文章声称他曾逃税，他的名誉受到损害。
• This our Peeress declined as unnecessary, alleging that her cousin Thornhill's recommendation would be sufficient. 那位贵人不肯，还说不必，只要有她老表唐希尔保荐就够了。

16 dictate   

v.口授；(使)听写；指令，指示，命令

参考例句：

• It took him a long time to dictate this letter.口述这封信花了他很长时间。
• What right have you to dictate to others?你有什么资格向别人发号施令？

17 dictated   

v.大声讲或读( dictate的过去式和过去分词 )；口授；支配；摆布

参考例句：

• He dictated a letter to his secretary. 他向秘书口授信稿。
• No person of a strong character likes to be dictated to. 没有一个个性强的人愿受人使唤。 来自《简明英汉词典》

18 vociferously   

adv.喊叫地，吵闹地

参考例句：

• They are arguing vociferously over who should pay the bill. 他们为谁该付账单大声争吵。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• Annixter had cursed him so vociferously and tersely that even Osterman was cowed. 安尼克斯特骂了他的声音之大，语气之凶，连奥斯特曼也不禁吓了一跳。 来自辞典例句

19 silicon   

n.硅(旧名矽)

参考例句：

• This company pioneered the use of silicon chip.这家公司开创了使用硅片的方法。
• A chip is a piece of silicon about the size of a postage stamp.芯片就是一枚邮票大小的硅片。