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 　　GWEN IFILL: Now to Hillary Clinton's e-mails.

　　The former secretary of state, and Democratic presidential candidate, took questions today for the first time in months.

　　HILLARY CLINTON, Former Secretary of State: I want those e-mails out. Nobody has a bigger interest in getting them released than I do.

　　GWEN IFILL: Candidate Clinton was campaigning in Cedar¹ Falls, Iowa, as a federal judge in Washington ordered the State Department to speed up its plan to release 55,000 pages of her e-mails.

　　HILLARY CLINTON: I respect the State Department. They have their process that they do for everybody, not just for me. But anything that they might do to expedite that process, I heartily² support.

　　GWEN IFILL: The wrangling³ over Clinton's e-mails, private and public, official and personal, has continued for months. In early March, Clinton revealed she used a private nongovernment account for official correspondence during her four years as secretary. Days later came news that she'd also used a private server, separate from the State Department account, since 2009, shortly before she took office as secretary of state.

　　Clinton then announced she had turned over 30,000 work-related e-mails to State and deleted another 31,000 she deemed personal. That announcement came at a March news conference. Since then, Clinton had not addressed the issue again or taken substantive⁴ questions from reporters, until today.

　　HILLARY CLINTON: I think it will show how hard we worked and what we did for our country during the time that I was secretary of state, where I worked extremely hard on behalf of our values and our interests and our security. And the e-mails are a part of that. So, I have said publicly — I'm repeating it here in front of all of you today — I want them out as soon as they can get out.

　　GWEN IFILL: The State Department received the e-mails in paper form and wanted much more time to go through them. But the judge has now ordered a quicker rolling release.

　　Department spokesman Jeff Rathke:

　　JEFF RATHKE, State Department Spokesman: We have a large volume of records that cover the entire span of Secretary Clinton's time at the department. So, I'm sure you can imagine this would cover pretty much any topic. So, there was a desire to do them at once, so that they would — so that they would be available in their entirety. Again, we have got a court order, an order that instructs us differently, so we're going to comply with it.

　　GWEN IFILL: A separate order involves 300 e-mails on Benghazi, the fatal 2012 attack on U.S. diplomats⁶ in Libya. The State Department has until next week to provide a schedule for releasing those.

　　In the meantime, questions continue about speaking fees the Clintons have earned, $25 million just since January of 2014, and potential conflicts of interest. Still, polling suggests the lingering questions have not yet dented⁷ Hillary Clinton's popularity among Democrats⁸.

　　Joining us to discuss what these questions mean for the campaign, Matea Gold of The Washington Post, and, just outside Des Moines, Peter Nicholas of The Wall Street Journal.

　　Peter Nicholas, you were at that news conference, that impromptu⁹ news — rare news conference that Hillary Clinton gave today in Iowa. Why the delay, as you understand it, originally in the release of all these e-mails?

　　PETER NICHOLAS, The Wall Street Journal: Well, the State Department has said it takes time to go just through all these e-mails.

　　They have 55,000 pages of documents to go through. It requires a lot of vetting¹⁰. Input¹¹ has to come in from other agencies. There has to be an understanding reached about what needs to be redacted, what might be classified or sensitive. So, State says, all this takes time.

　　The department had wanted to release all this in January. The judge ordered that it be done on a rolling basis. That could begin as early as July. And this can't be seen as good news for the Hillary Clinton campaign, in the sense that whatever message she's trying to put out on a given day about the middle class, about raising wages, about job growth is going to be trumped¹² to some degree by the content of these e-mails. Reporters are going to be scouring¹³ them, opposition¹⁴ researchers, other candidates.

　　These e-mail releases are going to be a big story every time they're released.

　　GWEN IFILL: How did the federal court get involved in this at all?

　　PETER NICHOLAS: Well, there was a lawsuit¹⁵ that was filed. There's been multiple lawsuits¹⁶, Freedom of Information Act request lawsuits, public record requests lawsuits, filed against the State Department for these e-mails.

　　So, VICE¹⁷ News I believe in this particular case had filed suit asking for these e-mails. And that gave rise to the judge's ruling.

　　GWEN IFILL: If Hillary Clinton says, as she did today, that she would like to see these e-mails made public, why can't she just release them?

　　PETER NICHOLAS: Well, she says that she has given these e-mails to the State Department. They're now in the custody¹⁸ of the State Department. The State Department has to do its review. She can't order or demand the State Department to do that. They have to do it according to their own procedures and processes. And as a private citizen now, she can't influence the department, as she once could as secretary of state.

　　So, she's urging them on, saying she wants this to happen, but she's saying it's now a State Department-controlled process.

　　GWEN IFILL: Matea Gold, the other cloud hanging over this campaign that never seems to go away is the money, how the Clintons earned their money and in some cases how they spent it, but mostly how they have earned it, $30 million in speeches in eight months or something like that. So, where is the money coming from?

　　MATEA GOLD, The Washington Post: So, Friday night, we got our first look at how Hillary Clinton has been earning her money in the 15-month run-up to her announcing her presidential campaign, mostly through speeches.

　　So, she personally earned $11.7 million on the lecture circuit, an enormous sum of money by any stretch. And we looked at sort of the top sectors¹⁹ who are giving her money, and technology companies really were seeking her to come as a speaker for their company events. And they were really the prime industry that hired her.

　　GWEN IFILL: Were these technology companies who had business before the State Department when she was secretary of state?

　　MATEA GOLD: These are technology companies that are some of the biggest players in Silicon²¹ Valley and in global Internet commerce and software. So we're talking about Xerox²² and Cisco and eBay, companies that have myriad²³ of policy concerns and issues.

　　And what's really interesting is, they have connections. Many of their top executives or senior leadership are also early and avid²⁴ supporters of her presidential campaign.

　　GWEN IFILL: So they're raising money for her in two kinds of ways. They're paying her personally one on one for these speeches, but also raising money for her campaign?

　　MATEA GOLD: And what's really unique is you — we clearly have seen former presidents go out on the speaking circuit and earn high fees, but it's really rare to see someone directly in the run-up to a presidential campaign speaking before industry groups and commanding such large amounts of money.

　　GWEN IFILL: Also rare for a first lady to be running for president.

　　In these speeches, what does she talk about? Does she talk about things which often become themes in her campaign, or do we even know?

　　MATEA GOLD: Many of these speeches were closed. But there are some — a few were open and some details have come out.

　　She definitely was testing some themes for her campaign. We saw her talk about income inequality in several speeches. And when she went to Silicon Valley, she was speaking specifically about issues of concern to the tech sector²⁰, so talking about issues about government surveillance, which is a really hot-button issue in that industry, talking about issues of immigration, talking about issues of tax repatriation²⁵.

　　These are clearly things that the next president's going to have in his or her portfolio²⁶.

　　GWEN IFILL: As far as we know, at this stage, is any of what she's done, any the money she's accepted even borderline illegal?

　　MATEA GOLD: There's nothing illegal about her accepting these fees, but I think it raises a lot of questions about potential conflicts of interest, as she's also raising money for her campaign and then what would happen once she's president, and these industries that had paid her personally a lot of money have interests in what the White House does.

　　GWEN IFILL: Let's go back to Peter Nicholas in Des Moines and talk.

　　And just in general, I want to ask you both about the clouds that never seems to go away over the Clinton campaign. In this case, at the root of these e-mails is this Benghazi investigation²⁷, which also never goes away.

　　PETER NICHOLAS: Right.

　　So, the Benghazi investigation is being led by Trey Gowdy, a Republican House member from South Carolina. And he's determined²⁸ to have Hillary Clinton come testify before his committee, talk about the e-mail issue, her unusual use of unusual e-mail practices, where she didn't have a state.gov account. She used exclusively a private account and a private server, as you mentioned in your earlier report.

　　He wants to talk to her about this and wants to also talk to her about the Benghazi investigation he's looking into, what role she played, what decisions she made, and this is going to be a difficult moment potentially for her. She's going to be testifying before a committee led by Republicans who are not friendly to her and don't want to see her in the White House. So, this could be problematic.

　　GWEN IFILL: As we have mentioned before on this program, Peter, she has not given a lot of answers to reporters and lots of — answered many questions. So, today, was it a surprise when she decided²⁹ to? And does it betray any kind of nervousness about these questions?

　　PETER NICHOLAS: It was really an interesting moment, Gwen.

　　I was there at the event. And I wasn't expecting her to take questions. One of our colleagues in the middle of this roundtable event above this small business called out, Mrs. Clinton, will you take some questions from the press? And she was a little bit coy and said, maybe I will.

　　And then, towards the end of the event, she said, well, I will do it if I can learn something. And then she came over. She spoke⁵ for five minutes, more than five minutes. She took a total of six questions, which brings to 19 the total number of questions she has answered from the press corps³⁰ since she announced her candidacy on April 12.

　　So, this is very different from what we're seeing on the Republican side, but, then again, she is Hillary Clinton. She has 100 percent name recognition. She has minimal³¹ competition for the Democratic nomination³² as yet. And she feels and I think her campaign feels that she doesn't have to answer a barrage³³ of questions from the press. She wants to run this campaign on her own terms.

　　That's not always possible. As we saw in the whole e-mail controversy³⁴ in March, she had to do a press conference to answer some of these questions and to appease³⁵ some donors³⁶ and some Democrats who were nervous about her prospects³⁷ at that point.

　　GWEN IFILL: And, Matea, we haven't really seen any effect in the polls so much, that people have said, oh, she's rich and she's out of touch or that she's keeping secrets. That isn't yet showing up in any early opinion polling.

　　MATEA GOLD: Not so much. It's sort of causing Republicans to tear their hair out. They're not quite sure why this isn't damaging her approval rating.

　　I think one thing Peter mentioned is so true. She's such a known quantity that many people have formed their opinions about her and have very strongly held views. And I think it will take a lot to dislodge that. But I think both the money and the e-mails speak to her real competition in this primary, which isn't a huge ream of candidates, as there is on the GOP side. But really she's shadowboxing with herself.

　　GWEN IFILL: And we will be watching her do that.

　　Matea Gold of The Washington Post, Peter Nicholas at The Wall Street Journal, thank you both very much.

　　MATEA GOLD: Thank you.

　　PETER NICHOLAS: Thank you, Gwen.

1 cedar   

n.雪松，香柏(木)

参考例句：

• The cedar was about five feet high and very shapely.那棵雪松约有五尺高,风姿优美。
• She struck the snow from the branches of an old cedar with gray lichen.她把长有灰色地衣的老雪松树枝上的雪打了下来。

2 heartily   

adv.衷心地，诚恳地，十分，很

参考例句：

• He ate heartily and went out to look for his horse.他痛快地吃了一顿，就出去找他的马。
• The host seized my hand and shook it heartily.主人抓住我的手，热情地和我握手。

3 wrangling   

v.争吵，争论，口角( wrangle的现在分词 )

参考例句：

• The two sides have spent most of their time wrangling over procedural problems. 双方大部分时间都在围绕程序问题争论不休。 来自辞典例句
• The children were wrangling (with each other) over the new toy. 孩子为新玩具（互相）争吵。 来自辞典例句

4 substantive   

adj.表示实在的；本质的、实质性的；独立的；n.实词，实名词；独立存在的实体

参考例句：

• They plan to meet again in Rome very soon to begin substantive negotiations.他们计划不久在罗马再次会晤以开始实质性的谈判。
• A president needs substantive advice,but he also requires emotional succor. 一个总统需要实质性的建议，但也需要感情上的支持。

5 spoke   

n.（车轮的）辐条；轮辐；破坏某人的计划；阻挠某人的行动 v.讲，谈（speak的过去式）；说；演说；从某种观点来说

参考例句：

• They sourced the spoke nuts from our company.他们的轮辐螺帽是从我们公司获得的。
• The spokes of a wheel are the bars that connect the outer ring to the centre.辐条是轮子上连接外圈与中心的条棒。

6 diplomats   

n.外交官( diplomat的名词复数 )；有手腕的人，善于交际的人

参考例句：

• These events led to the expulsion of senior diplomats from the country. 这些事件导致一些高级外交官被驱逐出境。
• The court has no jurisdiction over foreign diplomats living in this country. 法院对驻本国的外交官无裁判权。 来自《简明英汉词典》

7 dented   

v.使产生凹痕( dent的过去式和过去分词 )；损害；伤害；挫伤（信心、名誉等）

参考例句：

• The back of the car was badly dented in the collision. 汽车尾部被撞后严重凹陷。
• I'm afraid I've dented the car. 恐怕我把车子撞瘪了一些。 来自《简明英汉词典》

8 democrats   

n.民主主义者，民主人士( democrat的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• The Democrats held a pep rally on Capitol Hill yesterday. 民主党昨天在国会山召开了竞选誓师大会。
• The democrats organize a filibuster in the senate. 民主党党员组织了阻挠议事。 来自《简明英汉词典》

9 impromptu   

adj.即席的，即兴的；adv.即兴的(地)，无准备的(地)

参考例句：

• The announcement was made in an impromptu press conference at the airport.这一宣布是在机场举行的临时新闻发布会上作出的。
• The children put on an impromptu concert for the visitors.孩子们为来访者即兴献上了一场音乐会。

10 vetting   

n.数据检查[核对，核实]v.审查（某人过去的记录、资格等）( vet的现在分词 )；调查；检查；诊疗

参考例句：

• Scripts had to be submitted to Ministry of Information officials for vetting. 必须把脚本提交给信息部官员审查。 来自互联网
• Their purpose in clicking deeper into a site is one of vetting. 他们深入点击网站的目的是一种诊疗。 来自互联网

11 input   

n.输入(物)；投入；vt.把(数据等)输入计算机

参考例句：

• I will forever be grateful for his considerable input.我将永远感激他的大量投入。
• All this information had to be input onto the computer.所有这些信息都必须输入计算机。

12 trumped   

v.（牌戏）出王牌赢（一牌或一墩）( trump的过去分词 )；吹号公告，吹号庆祝；吹喇叭；捏造

参考例句：

• That woman trumped up various baseless charges against him. 那个女人捏造种种毫无根据的罪名指控他。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• Several of his colleagues trumped up a complaint to get him removed from the job. 他的几位同事诬告他，使他丟掉了工作。 来自《简明英汉词典》

13 scouring   

擦[洗]净，冲刷，洗涤

参考例句：

• The police are scouring the countryside for the escaped prisoners. 警察正在搜索整个乡村以捉拿逃犯。
• This is called the scouring train in wool processing. 这被称为羊毛加工中的洗涤系列。

14 opposition   

n.反对，敌对

参考例句：

• The party leader is facing opposition in his own backyard.该党领袖在自己的党內遇到了反对。
• The police tried to break down the prisoner's opposition.警察设法制住了那个囚犯的反抗。

15 lawsuit   

n.诉讼，控诉

参考例句：

• They threatened him with a lawsuit.他们以诉讼威逼他。
• He was perpetually involving himself in this long lawsuit.他使自己无休止地卷入这场长时间的诉讼。

16 lawsuits   

n.诉讼( lawsuit的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• Lawsuits involving property rights and farming and grazing rights increased markedly. 涉及财产权，耕作与放牧权的诉讼案件显著地增加。 来自辞典例句
• I've lost and won more lawsuits than any man in England. 全英国的人算我官司打得最多，赢的也多，输的也多。 来自辞典例句

17 vice   

n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的

参考例句：

• He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
• They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。

18 custody   

n.监护，照看，羁押，拘留

参考例句：

• He spent a week in custody on remand awaiting sentence.等候判决期间他被还押候审一个星期。
• He was taken into custody immediately after the robbery.抢劫案发生后，他立即被押了起来。

19 sectors   

n.部门( sector的名词复数 )；领域；防御地区；扇形

参考例句：

• Berlin was divided into four sectors after the war. 战后柏林分成了4 个区。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• Industry and agriculture are the two important sectors of the national economy. 工业和农业是国民经济的两个重要部门。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》

20 sector   

n.部门，部分；防御地段，防区；扇形

参考例句：

• The export sector will aid the economic recovery. 出口产业将促进经济复苏。
• The enemy have attacked the British sector.敌人已进攻英国防区。

21 silicon   

n.硅(旧名矽)

参考例句：

• This company pioneered the use of silicon chip.这家公司开创了使用硅片的方法。
• A chip is a piece of silicon about the size of a postage stamp.芯片就是一枚邮票大小的硅片。

22 xerox   

n./v.施乐复印机，静电复印

参考例句：

• Xerox and Lucent are two more high-tech companies run by women.施乐和朗讯是另外两家由女性经营的大科技公司。
• You cannot take it home,but you can xerox it.你不能把它带回家，但可以复印。

23 myriad   

adj.无数的；n.无数，极大数量

参考例句：

• They offered no solution for all our myriad problems.对于我们数不清的问题他们束手无策。
• I had three weeks to make a myriad of arrangements.我花了三个星期做大量准备工作。

24 avid   

adj.热心的；贪婪的；渴望的；劲头十足的

参考例句：

• He is rich,but he is still avid of more money.他很富有,但他还想贪图更多的钱。
• She was avid for praise from her coach.那女孩渴望得到教练的称赞。

25 repatriation   

n.遣送回国，归国

参考例句：

• The Volrep programme is the preferred means of repatriation. 政府认为自愿遣返计划的遣返方法较为可取。 来自互联网
• Arrange the cargo claiming and maritime affairs,crews repatriation,medical treatment,traveling so on. （六）洽办货物理赔，船舶海事处理，办理船员遣返，就医，旅游等。 来自互联网

26 portfolio   

n.公事包；文件夹；大臣及部长职位

参考例句：

• He remembered her because she was carrying a large portfolio.他因为她带着一个大公文包而记住了她。
• He resigned his portfolio.他辞去了大臣职务。

27 investigation   

n.调查，调查研究

参考例句：

• In an investigation,a new fact became known, which told against him.在调查中新发现了一件对他不利的事实。
• He drew the conclusion by building on his own investigation.他根据自己的调查研究作出结论。

28 determined   

adj.坚定的；有决心的

参考例句：

• I have determined on going to Tibet after graduation.我已决定毕业后去西藏。
• He determined to view the rooms behind the office.他决定查看一下办公室后面的房间。

29 decided   

adj.决定了的，坚决的；明显的，明确的

参考例句：

• This gave them a decided advantage over their opponents.这使他们比对手具有明显的优势。
• There is a decided difference between British and Chinese way of greeting.英国人和中国人打招呼的方式有很明显的区别。

30 corps   

n.(通信等兵种的)部队；(同类作的)一组

参考例句：

• The medical corps were cited for bravery in combat.医疗队由于在战场上的英勇表现而受嘉奖。
• When the war broke out,he volunteered for the Marine Corps.战争爆发时，他自愿参加了海军陆战队。

31 minimal   

adj.尽可能少的，最小的

参考例句：

• They referred to this kind of art as minimal art.他们把这种艺术叫微型艺术。
• I stayed with friends, so my expenses were minimal.我住在朋友家，所以我的花费很小。

32 nomination   

n.提名，任命，提名权

参考例句：

• John is favourite to get the nomination for club president.约翰最有希望被提名为俱乐部主席。
• Few people pronounced for his nomination.很少人表示赞成他的提名。

33 barrage   

n.火力网，弹幕

参考例句：

• The attack jumped off under cover of a barrage.进攻在炮火的掩护下开始了。
• The fierce artillery barrage destroyed the most part of the city in a few minutes.猛烈的炮火几分钟内便毁灭了这座城市的大部分地区。

34 controversy   

n.争论，辩论，争吵

参考例句：

• That is a fact beyond controversy.那是一个无可争论的事实。
• We ran the risk of becoming the butt of every controversy.我们要冒使自己在所有的纷争中都成为众矢之的的风险。

35 appease   

v.安抚，缓和，平息，满足

参考例句：

• He tried to appease the crying child by giving him candy.他试图给那个啼哭的孩子糖果使他不哭。
• The government tried to appease discontented workers.政府试图安抚不满的工人们。

36 donors   

n.捐赠者( donor的名词复数 )；献血者；捐血者；器官捐献者

参考例句：

• Please email us to be removed from our active list of blood donors. 假如你想把自己的名字从献血联系人名单中删去，请给我们发电子邮件。
• About half this amount comes from individual donors and bequests. 这笔钱大约有一半来自个人捐赠及遗赠。 来自《简明英汉词典》

37 prospects   

n.希望，前途(恒为复数)

参考例句：

• There is a mood of pessimism in the company about future job prospects. 公司中有一种对工作前景悲观的情绪。
• They are less sanguine about the company's long-term prospects. 他们对公司的远景不那么乐观。