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 　　GWEN IFILL: Donald Trump¹ continues to consume the post-debate debate, Hillary Clinton lashes² out at the Republicans, and Bernie Sanders draws huge West Coast crowds.

　　You may have heard Trump sparked an uproar³ when he described FOX News moderator Megyn Kelly as having "blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever." She was — he said, "In my opinion, she was off-base."

　　The next day, he said he meant blood coming out of her nose.

　　Today, Hillary Clinton, campaigning in New Hampshire, said Trump was outrageous⁵, but that Republicans who oppose all abortions⁷ are just as bad.

　　HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, Democratic Presidential Candidate: While what Donald Trump said about Megyn Kelly is outrageous, what the rest of the Republicans are saying about all women is also outrageous. They brag⁸ about slashing⁹ women's health care funding. They say they would force women who have been raped¹¹ to carry their rapist's child.

　　GWEN IFILL: Sounds like a perfect time for a Politics Monday.

　　We're joined from New Hampshire tonight by Tamara Keith of NPR, and here in the studio by Susan Page of USA Today.

　　Tamara, you were in New Hampshire with Hillary covering Hillary Clinton today. Tell us a little bit about this whole idea, this broad idea of women's issues. So far, we're talking about the slur¹² was that Donald Trump did or didn't intend. We're talking about abortion⁶, but women's issues, it seems to me, especially when it comes to an unknown candidate like Donald Trump, is much broader than that.

　　TAMARA KEITH, NPR: Certainly.

　　And Donald Trump, over the weekend, said that he's huge on women's issues. It's not entirely¹³ clear what that means. Trump, before he was pro-life, was pro-choice. And, of course, that's one of many issues where there are lots of substantive¹⁴ questions that could be asked of a candidate, but, typically, he spends a lot of time feuding¹⁵ instead.

　　GWEN IFILL: Has the Clinton campaign decided¹⁷ this is an opportunity for them?

　　TAMARA KEITH: Oh, absolutely. Hillary Clinton was having a lot of fun in that media availability today, though — and you also got the sense that she would have been perfectly¹⁸ happy if someone, anyone, had asked her a detailed¹⁹ policy question about her college affordability²⁰ plan, which is what she was there for.

　　But, clearly, Clinton is using this to go after the Republican field as a whole, to tie them to Donald Trump, and also, in particular, today, she was talking about Marco Rubio. That's the Florida senator who many say performed quite well in that debate last week, and she was talking about his position on abortion to not include incest or rape¹⁰, and making the argument that that was the more extreme position than any of the entertaining things that Donald Trump said. And she described him as an entertainer.

　　GWEN IFILL: OK, Susan, let's talk about Donald Trump. It's — we have to. He's still leading the polls. He doesn't appeared to have been hurt at all by whatever happened in that debate or people's interpretations²¹ of it.

　　But when we talk about Donald Trump and we talk about where he stands on issues, we know about the things he says. What does he believe, especially when it comes to these issues?

　　SUSAN PAGE, USA Today: Not a conventional candidate, and not someone who has ever served in public office, so there's no voting record that we can go look at, as we can with people who served as governors and senators.

　　And, in fact, if you go on DonaldJTrump.com, his Web site, as I did just before we came on board, there are ways to buy T-shirts with Trump's name, there are a lot of news stories posted about how well he's doing in the polls, you can contribute to his campaign, but there is not even a tab that takes you to his policy positions on issues.

　　There's nothing on his Web site up to this point that explains where he stands on issues like education, or health care, or jobs or terrorism. These are all issues that of course women care about, as do men.

　　GWEN IFILL: Well, that's the thing. We're talking about — when we say women's issues, we're also talking about health care and education and college affordability.

　　But we have heard nothing from him on any of that.

　　SUSAN PAGE: And you know what? I think, for his core supporters, it doesn't matter. They're endorsing²² kind of an attitude that has served him well so far.

　　But if he wants to grow his support, if he wants to become somebody who is actually taken seriously as a potential nominee²³, he's going to have to take positions on some of these big issues.

　　GWEN IFILL: Tamara, we saw how Hillary Clinton has been responding to this. How about the others, especially all the Republican candidates? How have they been responding? They have obviously been trying to fight to get themselves heard in all of this.

　　TAMARA KEITH: Yes, any number of candidates have said things like, well, don't you just want to ask me about what I want to do, John Kasich being one of them. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina came out with another strongly-worded statement saying, come on, let's just ditch this guy, basically, more or less.

　　And I think what's going on here, what's interesting though is that Donald Trump keeps going from feud¹⁶ to feud to feud. He said mean things about Megyn Kelly. Then he moved on and said mean things about Carly Fiorina, one of the other presidential candidates, and he keeps doing that, keeps sparking these feuds²⁴. It's kind of like rap feuds of the '90s, where they're feuding and actually the feud gives everybody more publicity²⁵. So some candidates are embracing the fight with Trump.

　　GWEN IFILL: It's true. I have been following this feud between Meek²⁶ Mill and Drake over the last week. I have no idea what it's about, but I know it's a beef.

　　OK. So, we have the same thing happening here. But here's what I'm curious about, Susan. There's power in this, isn't there? He was mad at FOX News, but now it appears he's going to appear on FOX News because he made up with Roger Ailes.

　　SUSAN PAGE: So, here's the amazing thing. Not only does he lead in the polls, but Donald Trump is defining the entire conversation.

　　So the other nominees²⁷, the other candidates either try to get into the story, like Rand Paul criticizing him as not really a real conservative or Bobby Jindal saying that he's going to just say Trump's name randomly²⁸ through his speeches in an effort to get attention, or they're trying to figure out how to talk about something else.

　　That's what you see with Marco Rubio and John Kasich, where they are really desperate to try to break through on the issues that they want to talk about and avoid having to respond every day in every way to outrageous comments by Donald Trump. And I don't think that they have quite figured out how to do that at the moment, because Donald Trump is still, as he likes to be, right at center stage.

　　GWEN IFILL: OK, Tamara, let's talk about Bernie Sanders. He was on a West Coast swing this week and he attracted tens of thousands of people to his rallies in Seattle, in Portland, Oregon. And he's on his way to Los Angeles today.

　　Is this something — first of all, what is the appeal for Bernie Sanders? Why is he getting these massive crowds at this time, in August, for heaven's sakes? And what are the Hillary Clinton people thinking about this?

　　TAMARA KEITH: Well, and, also, he was endorsed²⁹ today by the nurses union. That's what he was doing in L.A., was picking up this big national endorsement³⁰.

　　So Bernie Sanders has captured something. He's really captured a desire among many people to fix income inequality. He's talking about college affordability. He has been talking about that for months. He really, in stark³¹ terms, spells out the feeling that a lot of people have that it's just harder to get ahead, and that's what he's capturing, and people are showing up to see him.

　　Now, I can't tell you what portion of the people in those arenas³² are just there to say, hey, who is this guy and how many of them would go out and, say, caucus³³ for him in Iowa or volunteer for his campaign. It's not clear to me what the share is in those people that are showing up.

　　GWEN IFILL: That's the same question that could be asked about Donald Trump at this stage.

　　But what I'm curious about, Susan, also is whether the Hillary Clinton people are worried about it. She was asked about it today and she just said, oh, he's a nice colleague. She didn't have anything negative to say about him.

　　SUSAN PAGE: There is no percentage for Hillary Clinton to attack Bernie Sanders.

　　There's every — because everything she wants to do is to get Bernie Sanders supporters to support her either now or later. She's really focused her fire on the people she thinks will be her potential opponents, Jeb Bush and today Marco Rubio.

　　But, certainly, Bernie Sanders is underscoring some of the vulnerabilities that Hillary Clinton has. I don't think the Hillary Clinton thinks he's going to take the nomination³⁴, but when he gets 28,000 people to come to a rally in Portland, Oregon, it underscored — could she get 20,000 people to come there with no organization, with no money for ads, with no infrastructure³⁵?

　　So I think he's concerning in that way, not so much that he takes the nomination, but he shows the kind of energy that she has yet to show.

　　GWEN IFILL: You begin to wonder if, at this stage of the campaign, what we're really watching for is the cumulative³⁶ effect of either the negative or e-mail questions which don't go away, of the outrage⁴ from Trump or even just the crowds building on themselves for Bernie Sanders. Maybe that's where we are.

　　SUSAN PAGE: And, of course, we're pretty far away from the election.

　　GWEN IFILL: No, we are?

　　SUSAN PAGE: Yes, we are. We are going to be talking about this for a long time.

　　What we're looking now for is kind of what the baseline is going to be, what the landscape is going to be, who has got strengths and weaknesses and how they might play out. But, a year from now, we will still be talking about some of these same characters.

　　GWEN IFILL: And a year from now, Tamara Keith will probably still be in New Hampshire, but maybe we will see you here this next week.

　　TAMARA KEITH: Maybe.

　　GWEN IFILL: Tamara Keith of NPR, Susan Page with USA Today, thank you both.

　　SUSAN PAGE: Thank you.

1 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

2 lashes   

n.鞭挞( lash的名词复数 )；鞭子；突然猛烈的一击；急速挥动v.鞭打( lash的第三人称单数 )；煽动；紧系；怒斥

参考例句：

• Mother always lashes out food for the children's party. 孩子们聚会时，母亲总是给他们许多吃的。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• Never walk behind a horse in case it lashes out. 绝对不要跟在马后面，以防它突然猛踢。 来自《简明英汉词典》

3 uproar   

n.骚动，喧嚣，鼎沸

参考例句：

• She could hear the uproar in the room.她能听见房间里的吵闹声。
• His remarks threw the audience into an uproar.他的讲话使听众沸腾起来。

4 outrage   

n.暴行，侮辱，愤怒；vt.凌辱，激怒

参考例句：

• When he heard the news he reacted with a sense of outrage.他得悉此事时义愤填膺。
• We should never forget the outrage committed by the Japanese invaders.我们永远都不应该忘记日本侵略者犯下的暴行。

5 outrageous   

adj.无理的，令人不能容忍的

参考例句：

• Her outrageous behaviour at the party offended everyone.她在聚会上的无礼行为触怒了每一个人。
• Charges for local telephone calls are particularly outrageous.本地电话资费贵得出奇。

6 abortion   

n.流产，堕胎

参考例句：

• She had an abortion at the women's health clinic.她在妇女保健医院做了流产手术。
• A number of considerations have led her to have a wilful abortion.多种考虑使她执意堕胎。

7 abortions   

n.小产( abortion的名词复数 )；小产胎儿；（计划）等中止或夭折；败育

参考例句：

• The Venerable Master: By not having abortions, by not killing living beings. 上人：不堕胎、不杀生。 来自互联网
• Conclusion Chromosome abnormality is one of the causes of spontaneous abortions. 结论：染色体异常是导致反复自然流产的原因之一。 来自互联网

8 brag   

v./n.吹牛，自夸；adj.第一流的

参考例句：

• He made brag of his skill.他夸耀自己技术高明。
• His wealth is his brag.他夸张他的财富。

9 slashing   

adj.尖锐的；苛刻的；鲜明的；乱砍的v.挥砍( slash的现在分词 )；鞭打；割破；削减

参考例句：

• Slashing is the first process in which liquid treatment is involved. 浆纱是液处理的第一过程。 来自辞典例句
• He stopped slashing his horse. 他住了手，不去鞭打他的马了。 来自辞典例句

10 rape   

n.抢夺，掠夺，强奸；vt.掠夺，抢夺，强奸

参考例句：

• The rape of the countryside had a profound ravage on them.对乡村的掠夺给他们造成严重创伤。
• He was brought to court and charged with rape.他被带到法庭并被指控犯有强奸罪。

11 raped   

v.以暴力夺取，强夺( rape的过去式和过去分词 )；强奸

参考例句：

• A young woman was brutally raped in her own home. 一名年轻女子在自己家中惨遭强暴。 来自辞典例句
• We got stick together, or we will be having our women raped. 我们得团结一致，不然我们的妻女就会遭到蹂躏。 来自辞典例句

12 slur   

v.含糊地说；诋毁；连唱；n.诋毁；含糊的发音

参考例句：

• He took the remarks as a slur on his reputation.他把这些话当作是对他的名誉的中伤。
• The drug made her speak with a slur.药物使她口齿不清。

13 entirely   

ad.全部地，完整地；完全地，彻底地

参考例句：

• The fire was entirely caused by their neglect of duty. 那场火灾完全是由于他们失职而引起的。
• His life was entirely given up to the educational work. 他的一生统统献给了教育工作。

14 substantive   

adj.表示实在的；本质的、实质性的；独立的；n.实词，实名词；独立存在的实体

参考例句：

• They plan to meet again in Rome very soon to begin substantive negotiations.他们计划不久在罗马再次会晤以开始实质性的谈判。
• A president needs substantive advice,but he also requires emotional succor. 一个总统需要实质性的建议，但也需要感情上的支持。

15 feuding   

vi.长期不和（feud的现在分词形式）

参考例句：

• Riccardo and Cafiero had been feuding so openly that the whole town knew about it. 里卡多和卡菲埃罗一直公开地闹别扭，全城的人都知道此事。 来自辞典例句
• The two families have been feuding with each other for many generations. 这两个家族有好多代的世仇了。 来自互联网

16 feud   

n.长期不和；世仇；v.长期争斗；世代结仇

参考例句：

• How did he start his feud with his neighbor?他是怎样和邻居开始争吵起来的？
• The two tribes were long at feud with each other.这两个部族长期不和。

17 decided   

adj.决定了的，坚决的；明显的，明确的

参考例句：

• This gave them a decided advantage over their opponents.这使他们比对手具有明显的优势。
• There is a decided difference between British and Chinese way of greeting.英国人和中国人打招呼的方式有很明显的区别。

18 perfectly   

adv.完美地，无可非议地，彻底地

参考例句：

• The witnesses were each perfectly certain of what they said.证人们个个对自己所说的话十分肯定。
• Everything that we're doing is all perfectly above board.我们做的每件事情都是光明正大的。

19 detailed   

adj.详细的，详尽的，极注意细节的，完全的

参考例句：

• He had made a detailed study of the terrain.他对地形作了缜密的研究。
• A detailed list of our publications is available on request.我们的出版物有一份详细的目录备索。

20 affordability   

可购性

参考例句：

• Performance-Based Logistics Affordability: Can We Afford Categorical Conversion to Performance-Based Acquisition? 基于性能的后期的可承受性：能否担负得起向基于性能的采办的无条件的转变？
• There would be no crisis of affordability, as't for food or clothing. 就想食物与服装一样，因为供给没有危机。

21 interpretations   

n.解释( interpretation的名词复数 )；表演；演绎；理解

参考例句：

• This passage is open to a variety of interpretations. 这篇文章可以有各种不同的解释。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The involved and abstruse passage makes several interpretations possible. 这段艰涩的文字可以作出好几种解释。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》

22 endorsing   

v.赞同( endorse的现在分词 )；在（尤指支票的）背面签字；在（文件的）背面写评论；在广告上说本人使用并赞同某产品

参考例句：

• Yet Communist leaders are also publicly endorsing religion in an unprecedented way. 不过，共产党领导层对宗教信仰的公开认可也是以前不曾有过的。 来自互联网
• Connecticut Independent Senator Joseph Lieberman is endorsing Republican Senator John McCain. 康涅狄格州独立派参议员约瑟夫。列波曼将会票选共和议员约翰。麦凯恩。 来自互联网

23 nominee   

n.被提名者；被任命者；被推荐者

参考例句：

• His nominee for vice president was elected only after a second ballot.他提名的副总统在两轮投票后才当选。
• Mr.Francisco is standing as the official nominee for the post of District Secretary.弗朗西斯科先生是行政书记职位的正式提名人。

24 feuds   

n.长期不和，世仇( feud的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• Quarrels and feuds between tribes became incessant. 部落间的争吵、反目成仇的事件接连不断。 来自英汉非文学 - 文明史
• There were feuds in the palace, no one can deny. 宫里也有斗争，这是无可否认的。 来自辞典例句

25 publicity   

n.众所周知，闻名；宣传，广告

参考例句：

• The singer star's marriage got a lot of publicity.这位歌星的婚事引起了公众的关注。
• He dismissed the event as just a publicity gimmick.他不理会这件事，只当它是一种宣传手法。

26 meek   

adj.温顺的，逆来顺受的

参考例句：

• He expects his wife to be meek and submissive.他期望妻子温顺而且听他摆布。
• The little girl is as meek as a lamb.那个小姑娘像羔羊一般温顺。

27 nominees   

n.被提名者，被任命者( nominee的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• She's one of the nominees. 她是被提名者之一。 来自超越目标英语 第2册
• A startling number of his nominees for senior positions have imploded. 他所提名的高级官员被否决的数目令人震惊。 来自互联网

28 randomly   

adv.随便地，未加计划地

参考例句：

• Within the hot gas chamber, molecules are moving randomly in all directions. 在灼热的气体燃烧室内，分子在各个方向上作无规运动。 来自辞典例句
• Transformed cells are loosely attached, rounded and randomly oriented. 转化细胞则不大贴壁、圆缩并呈杂乱分布。 来自辞典例句

29 endorsed   

vt.& vi.endorse的过去式或过去分词形式v.赞同( endorse的过去式和过去分词 )；在（尤指支票的）背面签字；在（文件的）背面写评论；在广告上说本人使用并赞同某产品

参考例句：

• The committee endorsed an initiative by the chairman to enter discussion about a possible merger. 委员会通过了主席提出的新方案，开始就可能进行的并购进行讨论。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The government has broadly endorsed a research paper proposing new educational targets for 14-year-olds. 政府基本上支持建议对14 岁少年实行新教育目标的研究报告。 来自《简明英汉词典》

30 endorsement   

n.背书；赞成，认可，担保；签(注)，批注

参考例句：

• We are happy to give the product our full endorsement.我们很高兴给予该产品完全的认可。
• His presidential campaign won endorsement from several celebrities.他参加总统竞选得到一些社会名流的支持。

31 stark   

adj.荒凉的；严酷的；完全的；adv.完全地

参考例句：

• The young man is faced with a stark choice.这位年轻人面临严峻的抉择。
• He gave a stark denial to the rumor.他对谣言加以完全的否认。

32 arenas   

表演场地( arena的名词复数 )； 竞技场； 活动或斗争的场所或场面； 圆形运动场

参考例句：

• Demolition derbies are large-scale automobile rodeos that take place in big arenas. 撞车比赛指的是在很大的竞技场上举行的大型汽车驾驶技术表演。
• Are there areas of privacy in the most public of arenas? 在绝大部分公开的场合中存在需要保护隐私的领域吗？

33 caucus   

n.秘密会议；干部会议；v.（参加）干部开会议

参考例句：

• This multi-staged caucus takes several months.这个多级会议常常历时好几个月。
• It kept the Democratic caucus from fragmenting.它也使得民主党的核心小组避免了土崩瓦解的危险。

34 nomination   

n.提名，任命，提名权

参考例句：

• John is favourite to get the nomination for club president.约翰最有希望被提名为俱乐部主席。
• Few people pronounced for his nomination.很少人表示赞成他的提名。

35 infrastructure   

n.下部构造，下部组织，基础结构，基础设施

参考例句：

• We should step up the development of infrastructure for research.加强科学基础设施建设。
• We should strengthen cultural infrastructure and boost various types of popular culture.加强文化基础设施建设，发展各类群众文化。

36 cumulative   

adj.累积的，渐增的

参考例句：

• This drug has a cumulative effect.这种药有渐增的效力。
• The benefits from eating fish are cumulative.吃鱼的好处要长期才能显现。