PBS高端访谈:我们可以从特朗普的交接准备中获悉什么?

 　　HARI SREENIVASAN: Now we turn to president-elect Trump¹'s transition to the White House and how his team is tackling the handover of executive reins².

　　For that, we are joined by Alex Isenstadt of Politico.

　　So, Alex, you're reporting on this every today. Where do things stand right now?

　　ALEX ISENSTADT, Politico: Well, look, it's a transition that's very much in flux³.

　　And you're starting to see a pattern here of a Donald Trump sort of overseeing a process that very much was sort of like his campaign. There was a little bit of chaos⁴ involved. You're sort of starting to see some of that chaos seep⁵ into the transition a little bit.

　　And perhaps this is a little — perhaps this provides an indication of what Donald Trump's management and leadership style is going to be like once he gets to the White House.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: And Chris Christie was demoted last week. Mike Pence replaced him. And he's overarching the kind of lead on this.

　　But there's been some internal strife⁶. We hear Mike Rogers stepped down. What was behind that?

　　ALEX ISENSTADT: Well, look, Mike Rogers, former congressman⁷ from Michigan, used to head the Intel Committee in Congress, he was very close to Chris Christie, who last week was pushed aside in a leadership shuffle⁸, where they put vice⁹ president-elect Mike Pence in charge.

　　And so this is something that you also saw during the campaign where Donald Trump went through several different campaign managers. He's now going through a few different transition heads. Again, you're starting to see sort of a pattern emerge here.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: In the grand scheme of things, does it matter? I probably couldn't tell you who managed the transition for the last three, four, ever presidents?

　　ALEX ISENSTADT: Well, it's a great question.

　　And, to some extent, this is inside baseball. It's parlor¹⁰ game stuff. But to some degree, it does indicate perhaps something about Donald Trump's leadership style, how he oversees¹¹ things, and exactly how he's going to make some decisions.

　　This comes at a time when a lot of Americans are looking for more information on how Donald Trump is going to lead and how he makes key decisions.

　　我们可以从特朗普的交接准备中获悉什么?

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: And there also seems to be this tension.

　　What he wanted on the campaign was — he ran as an outsider. He wanted people from outside Washington. Yet, right now, when you actually have lots and lots of jobs to fill, he's calling on some insiders.

　　ALEX ISENSTADT: Absolutely.

　　Look at the names that you're hearing talked of for top jobs, people like Rudy Giuliani, people like Jeff Sessions, the Alabama senator. These people are — to some degree, they're insiders, but they also share a similar trait, which is that they were all loyal to him during the campaign, at a time, during a campaign, when a lot of Republicans sought to distance themselves from Donald Trump.

　　He's priding loyalty¹² and he's looking to those who were loyal to him during the campaign, who stood behind him.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: He's also now getting the intelligence briefings on a daily basis that President Obama gets. How is that influencing some of the decisions that he has in front of him now?

　　ALEX ISENSTADT: It's unclear.

　　And it's also unclear exactly how this is shaping who is going to be getting some of these top posts. There was some reporting over the last day or so that Trump wanted clearance¹³ for his children and for his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to also be getting these security clearances¹⁴.

　　The campaign — or the transition committee, rather, pushed back a little bit on that reporting. But, look, it's clear that this is a guy who is new to government. He's new to this kind of thing, and he's now for the first time getting this information.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: Are transition teams the place where you start to reward your friends who have been loyal to you for so long and eventually maybe in government positions as well?

　　ALEX ISENSTADT: Well, look, you look back at George W. Bush's administration, he selected people who were very close to his family, to his father, and so you do see some of that

　　But it's interesting. You look at the people who Donald Trump is looking at, even people who he has already selected, Reince Priebus, Stephen Bannon. Those are people who really played key roles in his campaign and now are going to be overseeing his White House.

　　HARI SREENIVASAN: All right, Alex Isenstadt of Politico, thanks so much.

　　ALEX ISENSTADT: Thank you.

1 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

2 reins   

感情，激情； 缰( rein的名词复数 )； 控制手段； 掌管； （成人带着幼儿走路以防其走失时用的）保护带

参考例句：

• She pulled gently on the reins. 她轻轻地拉着缰绳。
• The government has imposed strict reins on the import of luxury goods. 政府对奢侈品的进口有严格的控制手段。

3 flux   

n.流动；不断的改变

参考例句：

• The market is in a constant state of flux.市场行情在不断变化。
• In most reactors,there is a significant flux of fast neutrons.在大部分反应堆中都有一定强度的快中子流。

4 chaos   

n.混乱，无秩序

参考例句：

• After the failure of electricity supply the city was in chaos.停电后，城市一片混乱。
• The typhoon left chaos behind it.台风后一片混乱。

5 seep   

v.渗出，渗漏；n.渗漏，小泉，水（油）坑

参考例句：

• My anger began to seep away.我的怒火开始消下去了。
• If meteoric water does not evaporate or run overland,it may seep directly into the ground.如果雨水不从陆地蒸发和流走的话，就可能直接渗入地下。

6 strife   

n.争吵，冲突，倾轧，竞争

参考例句：

• We do not intend to be drawn into the internal strife.我们不想卷入内乱之中。
• Money is a major cause of strife in many marriages.金钱是造成很多婚姻不和的一个主要原因。

7 Congressman   

n.（美）国会议员

参考例句：

• He related several anecdotes about his first years as a congressman.他讲述自己初任议员那几年的几则轶事。
• The congressman is meditating a reply to his critics.这位国会议员正在考虑给他的批评者一个答复。

8 shuffle   

n.拖著脚走，洗纸牌；v.拖曳，慢吞吞地走

参考例句：

• I wish you'd remember to shuffle before you deal.我希望在你发牌前记得洗牌。
• Don't shuffle your feet along.别拖着脚步走。

9 vice   

n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的

参考例句：

• He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
• They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。

10 parlor   

n.店铺，营业室；会客室，客厅

参考例句：

• She was lying on a small settee in the parlor.她躺在客厅的一张小长椅上。
• Is there a pizza parlor in the neighborhood?附近有没有比萨店？

11 oversees   

v.监督，监视( oversee的第三人称单数 )

参考例句：

• She oversees both the research and the manufacturing departments. 她既监督研究部门又监督生产部门。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The Department of Education oversees the federal programs dealing with education. 教育部监管处理教育的联邦程序。 来自互联网

12 loyalty   

n.忠诚，忠心

参考例句：

• She told him the truth from a sense of loyalty.她告诉他真相是出于忠诚。
• His loyalty to his friends was never in doubt.他对朋友的一片忠心从来没受到怀疑。

13 clearance   

n.净空；许可(证)；清算；清除，清理

参考例句：

• There was a clearance of only ten centimetres between the two walls.两堵墙之间只有十厘米的空隙。
• The ship sailed as soon as it got clearance. 那艘船一办好离港手续立刻启航了。

14 clearances   

清除( clearance的名词复数 )； 许可； （录用或准许接触机密以前的）审查许可； 净空

参考例句：

• But I can't get to him without clearances. 但是没有证明我就没法见到他。
• The bridge and the top of the bus was only ten clearances. 桥与公共汽车车顶之间的间隙只有十厘米。