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PBS高端访谈:美国记者马文·卡尔布回忆录:改变俄罗斯的一年

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HARI SREENIVASAN: We return to Russia.Some 40 years after the Bolshevik Revolution, in 1956, the country found itself again in the midst of turmoil1 and upheaval2. That's the focus of Judy Woodruff's latest addition to the NewsHour Bookshelf.

JUDY WOODRUFF: The year began with Nikita Khrushchev denouncing Stalin himself, leading to anti-communist uprisings throughout Eastern Europe and raising hopes within Russian. Veteran foreign affairs reporter Marvin Kalb was a young diplomatic attache at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and had a front-row seat in a tumultuous year that foreshadowed the breakup of the Soviet3 Union some 30 years later. He has written a book about that time, "The Year I Was Peter the Great: 1956 – Khrushchev, Stalin's Ghost, and a Young American in Russia." And Marvin Kalb joins me now. Welcome to the "NewsHour." MARVIN KALB, Author, "The Year I Was Peter the Great: 1956 – Khrushchev, Stalin's Ghost, and a Young American in Russia": Hi. Thank you. Thank you.

JUDY WOODRUFF: So, this is the story, as we say, of what happened at a crucial moment in Russian history and the history of the Soviet Union, but it's also your first memoir4 after 15 books you have written.

We get a glimpse of who Marvin Kalb is.

MARVIN KALB: It was a fun book to write. I had never done anything like that in my life. When you write about yourself, it's much more difficult than, as you know, writing about the world or an event. And in Russia at that time, everything was just so exciting. And for me, as a young American there, it was an eye-opening, intoxicating5 experience. I loved every day of it.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And you had been at Harvard.

MARVIN KALB: Yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: You were studying for your Ph.D. You already knew the Russian language.

MARVIN KALB: Yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: You were studying Russian history. This opportunity came along to put you right smack6 in the middle of this place that you had been studying. And you were able to get to know some of the Russian people.

MARVIN KALB: I got to know the Russian people because one of the great advantages of being utterly7 unimportant at the embassy was that, when I wanted to travel to different parts of the Soviet Union, which had up to that moment been closed to foreigners, the ambassador, the wonderful Charles Bohlen, looked at me and he would say, "What have I got to lose?"

So, Marvin would go to Central Asia, to Ukraine, to Northern Russia, everywhere. And after an initial period of caution, the Russian people opened up, at least in my experience, and I had a wonderful time with them. I really was able to hear their problems and understand what was on their minds in addition to having access to someone like Nikita Khrushchev.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, and I want you to tell that story, but we should remind everybody this year was crucial in the history of the Soviet Union, because a month or two after you arrived, Nikita Khrushchev surprises everybody, denounces Joseph Stalin, who had been a hero in their eyes. And everything changed, at least for a short time, when you were there.

MARVIN KALB: It was a fantastic moment in modern Russian history. Up to that time, the Russian people had never experienced personal freedom. And the Russian people, for the first time in their history, had an opportunity to think for themselves. And it was such a magnificent, fresh, wonderful thought for them and an experience for them that they began to think, wait a minute, maybe we can get freedom. And suddenly, young people, the future of Russia, they are denouncing the system itself. And that thought ran through Russia. Then it spilled over the borders and went into Eastern Europe. And, suddenly, you had the Hungarian Revolution.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And everything was closed up again.

MARVIN KALB: Because Khrushchev decided8 just to crack down to end that.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But, in the meantime, you had the opportunity to meet Khrushchev himself.

MARVIN KALB: Oh, yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Tell the story, because that's where the name Peter the Great comes from.

MARVIN KALB: It was the July 4 holiday. Ambassador Bohlen was having a big event. Khrushchev decided to come with the entire politburo. I happened to be one of four Americans in a woefully understaffed embassy who spoke9 Russian. So, Ambassador Bohlen said, Marvin, you ought to look after Marshal Zhukov. That was sort of crazy in my mind because I had been a PFC in the United States Army. That was my top rank. And here I was responsible for dealing10 with a Soviet marshal. And he loved vodka. So, I fed him vodka, and I drank water.

JUDY WOODRUFF: It's a great story.

MARVIN KALB: I drank water. And after about eight vodkas and waters, Khrushchev beckoned11 to both of us to come on over. And Zhukov was a little tipsy. And he said to Khrushchev, "I have finally found a young American who can drink like a Russian." Khrushchev loved that line. He looked up at me and he said, "How tall are you?" I said, "I'm six centimeters shorter than Peter the Great." Well, he loved the line. It brought the house down. And from that time, even when I came back years later for CBS, he always remembered me as Peter the Great. It was a great asset.

JUDY WOODRUFF: You had access in a way that no other American journalist had. But, Marvin, what did you learn about them as a people?

MARVIN KALB: What I think I learned more than anything else is how similar they are to us. I remember once being in a train with a young Azerbaijani woman, probably 22, 23, and we were traveling together. Just happened that way. And she was looking at me and she says, "Where are you from?" I said, "the United States." She said, "I don't believe it." "Why?" "Well, you speak Russian." I said, "Yes, but even an American can learn Russian." And there was an awkward five or 10 minutes when things were, oh, the Americans are very bad and this is very bad. And then, when she felt she knew me, and I felt I was getting to know her, everything sort of dropped, and we were two people, and we were sharing experiences and insights. And I found that to be the case with Russians, whether they lived in Central Asia, in the Caucasus, or Ukraine, Northern Russia. They are people just as we. They really wanted peace. Remember that this was 11 years after the end of World War II. Thirty million Russians had been killed in World War II, maybe more. And they all wanted peace, and yet they felt maybe they weren't going to get it. Maybe there would be war.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, so many telling stories, a wonderfully written book.

MARVIN KALB: It's fun.

JUDY WOODRUFF: "The Year I Was Peter the Great, 1956 – Khrushchev, Stalin's Ghost, and a Young American in Russia." Marvin Kalb, thank you very much.

MARVIN KALB: Thank you, Judy. Thank you.


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1 turmoil CKJzj     
n.骚乱,混乱,动乱
参考例句:
  • His mind was in such a turmoil that he couldn't get to sleep.内心的纷扰使他无法入睡。
  • The robbery put the village in a turmoil.抢劫使全村陷入混乱。
2 upheaval Tp6y1     
n.胀起,(地壳)的隆起;剧变,动乱
参考例句:
  • It was faced with the greatest social upheaval since World War Ⅱ.它面临第二次世界大战以来最大的社会动乱。
  • The country has been thrown into an upheaval.这个国家已经陷入动乱之中。
3 Soviet Sw9wR     
adj.苏联的,苏维埃的;n.苏维埃
参考例句:
  • Zhukov was a marshal of the former Soviet Union.朱可夫是前苏联的一位元帅。
  • Germany began to attack the Soviet Union in 1941.德国在1941年开始进攻苏联。
4 memoir O7Hz7     
n.[pl.]回忆录,自传;记事录
参考例句:
  • He has just published a memoir in honour of his captain.他刚刚出了一本传记来纪念他的队长。
  • In her memoir,the actress wrote about the bittersweet memories of her first love.在那个女演员的自传中,她写到了自己苦乐掺半的初恋。
5 intoxicating sqHzLB     
a. 醉人的,使人兴奋的
参考例句:
  • Power can be intoxicating. 权力能让人得意忘形。
  • On summer evenings the flowers gave forth an almost intoxicating scent. 夏日的傍晚,鲜花散发出醉人的芳香。
6 smack XEqzV     
vt.拍,打,掴;咂嘴;vi.含有…意味;n.拍
参考例句:
  • She gave him a smack on the face.她打了他一个嘴巴。
  • I gave the fly a smack with the magazine.我用杂志拍了一下苍蝇。
7 utterly ZfpzM1     
adv.完全地,绝对地
参考例句:
  • Utterly devoted to the people,he gave his life in saving his patients.他忠于人民,把毕生精力用于挽救患者的生命。
  • I was utterly ravished by the way she smiled.她的微笑使我完全陶醉了。
8 decided lvqzZd     
adj.决定了的,坚决的;明显的,明确的
参考例句:
  • This gave them a decided advantage over their opponents.这使他们比对手具有明显的优势。
  • There is a decided difference between British and Chinese way of greeting.英国人和中国人打招呼的方式有很明显的区别。
9 spoke XryyC     
n.(车轮的)辐条;轮辐;破坏某人的计划;阻挠某人的行动 v.讲,谈(speak的过去式);说;演说;从某种观点来说
参考例句:
  • They sourced the spoke nuts from our company.他们的轮辐螺帽是从我们公司获得的。
  • The spokes of a wheel are the bars that connect the outer ring to the centre.辐条是轮子上连接外圈与中心的条棒。
10 dealing NvjzWP     
n.经商方法,待人态度
参考例句:
  • This store has an excellent reputation for fair dealing.该商店因买卖公道而享有极高的声誉。
  • His fair dealing earned our confidence.他的诚实的行为获得我们的信任。
11 beckoned b70f83e57673dfe30be1c577dd8520bc     
v.(用头或手的动作)示意,召唤( beckon的过去式和过去分词 )
参考例句:
  • He beckoned to the waiter to bring the bill. 他招手示意服务生把账单送过来。
  • The seated figure in the corner beckoned me over. 那个坐在角落里的人向我招手让我过去。 来自《简明英汉词典》
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