PBS高端访谈:史上最杰出的体操运动员

AMNA NAWAZ: Nancy Armour¹ is a sports columnist² for USA Today. In her latest piece, Armour said, "Simone Biles isn't just best gymnast of her time, she's an athlete for the ages". She joins me now from Chicago. Nancy, thanks for being with us. So, the triple-double is two flips³ with three twists. Just how big a deal is this move?

NANCY ARMOUR, SPORTS COLUMNIST, USA TODAY: It is huge. It's the, the physics of it alone are really unbelievable, almost. I mean, consider the fact that she is turning herself end over end twice, but at the same time, she is twisting her body around three times. You have to have the physics of that exactly right or you basically will stop in the air and kind of plop to the ground. And she also has to know exactly where she is in the air, otherwise, she could do real damage if she's off at all. The power and the strength that it takes to do this is really nothing short of amazing, and, obviously, this is why it's taken so long for a woman to even try it, let alone land it like she did.

AMNA NAWAZ: You wrote in your column, she got so much height that if there was an SUV parked on the floor, she would have cleared it. And it's worth noting it's one of two record-breaking moves she made, right?

NANCY ARMOUR: Yes, she also did a double-double off, dismount off a balance beam, which is a double-twisting double summersault, and what makes that so amazing is she's basically at a complete standstill before she does it. So, imagine that you are trying to dunk a basketball from flat feet. It's not exactly comparable but pretty close. So, what she's doing, the power and the strength that she has to get these moves, it's unmatched, and not just in her sport, I would say in pretty much any sport.

AMNA NAWAZ: And it's worth noting, that little interview piece we just heard from her which was just days prior to her giving this performance. I mean, the fact that she is out there, still competing for USA Gymnastics, speaking out so bravely about the abuse she said she suffered, and then giving performances like this, what does that say to you about Simone Biles?

NANCY ARMOUS: She's not only an amazing athlete, she's an amazing person. And Simone recognizes the power that she has and influence she has. She's the best thing that USA gymnastics has going and has had going for the last couple of years. And she picks her spots and she picks what she wants to say and how she wants to say it, but she recognizes that she has an influence and that she can hold USA Gymnastics' feet to the fire and USOC and even Congress, because she is the best gymnast in the history for sport and she's been failed, and somebody has to answer that, and she continues to point that out and demand that they do right not just by her but the other hundreds of women who were abused by Larry Nassar.

AMNA NAWAZ: Nancy, there's a reason the move from this weekend has gone viral. People know that they are watching greatness when they see it go by. You wrote about this in your column. You compared it to Mohammed Ali's Rumble⁴ in the Jungle, Serena Williams winning the Australian Open when she was pregnant. You mentioned Simone Biles being one of the best gymnasts of all time. Is it fair to say she's one of the best athletes of all time?

NANCY ARMOUR: I think so. I was struck last night that this is going to be one of these things and I've seen her do many spectacular things, many of them. But this is one of those things that a decade from now, two decades from now, I'll be able to picture it in my mind, if somebody says Simone Biles' tripledouble, or what was the best move you ever saw Simone Biles do, this will immediately come to mind. And I think that is the mark of an athlete who has transcended⁵ not just in their own sports but across sports. And if she doesn't qualify, then I don't know who does.

AMNA NAWAZ: We're all lucky to watch that greatness in action. Nancy Armour of USA Today, thank you so much.

NANCY ARMOUR: Thanks for having me.

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：南希·阿穆尔是《今日美国》的体育专栏作者。在最近的一篇文章中，他写道，西蒙·拜尔斯不仅是同时期最棒的体操运动员，她更是史上最优秀的运动员。她现在将从芝加哥与我们连线。南希，感谢加入。三双是扭转3次身体，翻2翻。这个动作的难度有多高呢？

南希·阿穆尔，体操运动员，《今日美国》：难度很高。这个动作本身，从物理学来看是近乎不可思议的。我是说，毕竟全身要做2个回合，不过，与此同时，身体也要扭转大概3次。这个动作要把握地恰如其分，否则在空中就会停止并摔到地上。她还必须得准确地知道她在空中的哪个位置，否则就会受伤。做这个动作所需要的力道让人震惊，而且，显然，正因如此，女性尝试做这个动作要花费很长的时间，更别说像她那样着陆了。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：您在自己的栏目里写过，南希达到的高度不亚于把一辆停在地面的SUV清除掉。值得注意的是，这是她做的2个破纪录的动作之一，对吗？

南希·阿穆尔：是的，她还做过一次双双，从平衡木上下来，2次扭转身体，翻了2个筋斗。她的这个动作之所以惊人是因为她在做这个动作之前是完全静止的。试想一下从平底上直接灌篮的难度吧，这是一样的道理。基本上可以用这个比喻来模拟，这两个场景很接近。所以，她在做的事情、她做这些动作所展现的力量是无与伦比的，这不仅是在体操领域，在其他体育领域也是这样。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：这是值得注意的，我们还听闻她在这次比赛前的数天还接受了一小段采访。我想说，她居然还在战场上为美国体操竞技而拼搏，她能如此勇敢地面对自己所经历的辱骂，并在这种情况下做出这样的表现，对于这一点，你怎么看呢？

南希·阿穆尔：南希不仅是令人惊喜的运动员，她在生活中也十分优秀。她发现了自己所拥有的力量和影响力。她是美国体操界最棒的人，也是过去几年里最优秀的一位运动员。她选择了适合自己的运动，她选择说她想说的话和表达方式。不过，她也意识到自己是有影响力的，她意识到她可以带领美国体操界得到关注，得到奥林匹克委员会甚至是国会的关注。因为她是体坛史上最优秀的体操运动员，她不是没失败过，这一点无可否认。而她依然在指出这一点，并要求人们以正确的方式对她以及其他几百名受到拉里猥亵的女性。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：南希，本周末的动作已经风靡全球，这是有原因的。大家都知道，他们看到的是伟大的一幕。这个动作，您也在栏目里写到了。你在文章中把它比作穆罕默德·阿里丛林之战，塞雷娜·威廉姆斯在怀孕期间赢得了澳网公开赛。您还提到，西蒙·拜尔斯是史上最棒的体操运动员。说她是史上最棒的运动员是否为过呢？

南希·阿穆尔：我觉得不为过。昨晚，我感到这将成为历史的一部分，我看到她做过很多精彩的事情，很多很多。但这次的精彩是我未来10年甚至20年里都会印在脑海里的。如果有人提到西蒙·拜尔斯的三双，或者问我见过西蒙最棒的动作是什么，我一定会想到这次。我认为这是一个运动员的标签，因为她已经超越了体操，超越了所有体育运动。如果她不够格，那我想没有人够格。

阿姆纳·纳瓦兹：我们都很幸运，能亲眼见证这一伟大的时刻。感谢收听南希发回的《今日美国》报道。

南希·阿穆尔：感谢邀请我。

1 armour   

（=armor）n.盔甲；装甲部队

参考例句：

• His body was encased in shining armour.他全身披着明晃晃的甲胄。
• Bulletproof cars sheathed in armour.防弹车护有装甲。

2 columnist   

n.专栏作家

参考例句：

• The host was interviewing a local columnist.节目主持人正在同一位当地的专栏作家交谈。
• She's a columnist for USA Today.她是《今日美国报》的专栏作家。

3 flips   

轻弹( flip的第三人称单数 )； 按（开关）； 快速翻转； 急挥

参考例句：

• Larry flips on the TV while he is on vacation in Budapest. 赖瑞在布达佩斯渡假时，打开电视收看节目。
• He flips through a book before making a decision. 他在决定买下一本书前总要先草草翻阅一下。

4 rumble   

n.隆隆声；吵嚷；v.隆隆响；低沉地说

参考例句：

• I hear the rumble of thunder in the distance.我听到远处雷声隆隆。
• We could tell from the rumble of the thunder that rain was coming.我们根据雷的轰隆声可断定，天要下雨了。

5 transcended   

超出或超越（经验、信念、描写能力等）的范围( transcend的过去式和过去分词 )； 优于或胜过…

参考例句：

• He wanted assurance that he had transcended what was inherently ambiguous. 他要证明，他已经超越了本来就是混淆不清的事情。
• It transcended site to speak to universal human concerns. 它超越了场所的局限，表达了人类共同的心声。