PBS高端访谈:以色列人和巴勒斯坦人对冲突的真正看法

 　　JOHN YANG: But, first: We look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through the lens of Canadian-Israeli Corey Gil-Shuster. He runs The Ask Project.

　　Gil-Shuster solicits¹ questions from the Web and then hits the streets of Israel and the West Bank to ask serious and at times provocative² questions. He posts the answers, unedited, on YouTube.

　　"PBS NewsHour" contributor Justin Kenny recently followed Gil-Shuster and produced this report.

　　Corey Gil-Shuster, The Ask Project: If you were driving on the highway and there was a Palestinian on the side of the highway that seemed to need help, would you stop and help?

　　CHEN SHIRAK, Israeli from Tel Aviv: If I'm by myself in the car, I won't stop to anyone. It doesn't matter if it's a man, a woman, in the middle of the road. If I am with someone, like my husband, and we see something, maybe we will stop.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: My name is Corey Gil-Shuster. I run The Ask an Israeli, Ask a Palestinian Project.

　　If you were driving on the highway and you saw an Israeli on the side of the road that needed help, would you stop?

　　SAMI HABASH, Palestinian from Ramallah: Why not? Some day, he will help me. But if I saw — if I see that he is shooting, I will shoot back.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: The project is about finding out what Israelis and Palestinians really believe and think about the conflict.

　　People from all around the world send me questions through e-mail. I choose the questions, and then I go out to the streets of Israel and Palestine to ask random³ Israelis and Palestinians to answer the questions themselves. I don't edit any content out of it.

　　DURA, Palestinian: Most, the majority, they want two states, an Israeli state and a Palestinian state.

　　RISHON LEZION, Israeli: They are very primitive⁴. And they cannot build a country like we did.

　　以色列人和巴勒斯坦人对冲突的真正看法

　　WOMAN (through translator): For sure, the Israelis will be destroyed because Palestine is not their right.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: Destroyed as in killed?

　　WOMAN (through translator): They should be killed, yes.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: What are you willing to compromise for peace?

　　DROR, Israeli: Everything. My pants.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: The question is, don't you think Israel is committing suicide by holding onto the West Bank?

　　NOGA TARNOPOLSKY, Israeli from Jerusalem: I think that's a really bad question.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: OK, why?

　　NOGA TARNOPOLSKY: Because it's a leading question.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: A lot of the questions I get are what I call gotcha questions. They're a little bit over the top, or exaggerated, or have a very overly simplistic way of looking at the conflict.

　　And I ask them exactly that way, or try to as much as possible, because I think it's interesting for Israelis or Palestinians to hear what people from outside think. And I want them to answer in an honest way.

　　NOGA TARNOPOLSKY: The answer is sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: OK, what way — OK, so, give me an example. Why do you think yes and why do you think no?

　　NOGA TARNOPOLSKY: I think the investment that Israel is making in the territories is unjustified. I think that the emphasis on the West Bank in the Israeli political arena⁵ is absolutely outsized.

　　And when I say no, I say no because I think that other things are happening in the world. I think Israel has many problems. I don't think Israel is committing suicide.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: I'm often accused of asking these leading questions purposely, as if it's my politics or if that's where I want the agenda of the videos to go, and it really isn't. It really is — I'm trying to speak in the voice of the person asking.

　　We are on our way now to Qalandiya checkpoint into the West Bank. And from there, we are going to head out to Nablus. This is the Qalandiya checkpoint. It's a major checkpoint, actually much more for Palestinians coming into Israel who have permits or Jerusalem — Palestinian Jerusalemites who work in the West Bank, so they go back and forth⁶.

　　Nablus is actually my favorite — I think this is my favorite city in the West Bank. It kind of has everything. It has poor, rich, middle-class. A variety of different groups live there. And people love to shop. Well, that's true all over the West Bank. And it's just really lively all the time.

　　The law is that Jewish Israelis are not allowed legally to be in certain areas of the West Bank. Technically⁷, it's not legal, what I'm doing. My family is really not supportive of me going to the West Bank. They really believe I'm going to be killed.

　　MANAR, Translator: My name is Manar. I'm a translator. I'm 30 years old, and I'm from Ramallah.

　　Some people find it, I won't say offensive, but they don't like that he lives in Tel Aviv. We don't say that he is Israeli. And it's better, because people would be more comfortable that way.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: Do you think this project will have much of an impact?

　　MANAR: I hope so. I really hope so, because it's about bringing people closer together.

　　COREY GIL-SHUSTER: I do this because I think it's so important that, if you want to solve a conflict, you need to problem-solve. And if you want to problem-solve, you need to know what you're dealing⁸ with.

　　If you don't know what you're dealing with, then no solution is ever going to help.

1 solicits   

恳请

参考例句：

• They were planning to solicit funds from a number of organizations. 他们正计划向一些机构募集资金。
• May I solicit your advice on a matter of some importance? 我有一件要事可以请教你吗？ 来自《简明英汉词典》

2 provocative   

adj.挑衅的，煽动的，刺激的，挑逗的

参考例句：

• She wore a very provocative dress.她穿了一件非常性感的裙子。
• His provocative words only fueled the argument further.他的挑衅性讲话只能使争论进一步激化。

3 random   

adj.随机的；任意的；n.偶然的(或随便的)行动

参考例句：

• The list is arranged in a random order.名单排列不分先后。
• On random inspection the meat was found to be bad.经抽查，发现肉变质了。

4 primitive   

adj.原始的；简单的；n.原(始)人，原始事物

参考例句：

• It is a primitive instinct to flee a place of danger.逃离危险的地方是一种原始本能。
• His book describes the march of the civilization of a primitive society.他的著作描述了一个原始社会的开化过程。

5 arena   

n.竞技场，运动场所；竞争场所，舞台

参考例句：

• She entered the political arena at the age of 25. 她25岁进入政界。
• He had not an adequate arena for the exercise of his talents.他没有充分发挥其才能的场所。

6 forth   

adv.向前；向外，往外

参考例句：

• The wind moved the trees gently back and forth.风吹得树轻轻地来回摇晃。
• He gave forth a series of works in rapid succession.他很快连续发表了一系列的作品。

7 technically   

adv.专门地，技术上地

参考例句：

• Technically it is the most advanced equipment ever.从技术上说，这是最先进的设备。
• The tomato is technically a fruit,although it is eaten as a vegetable.严格地说，西红柿是一种水果，尽管它是当作蔬菜吃的。

8 dealing   

n.经商方法，待人态度

参考例句：

• This store has an excellent reputation for fair dealing.该商店因买卖公道而享有极高的声誉。
• His fair dealing earned our confidence.他的诚实的行为获得我们的信任。