PBS高端访谈:特朗普具有对抗性的风格会有助于他担任总统吗?

 　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Now for two different viewpoints on today's news conference, I am joined by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach. He was an adviser¹ to Mr. Trump² during his presidential campaign and transition. And Washington Post columnist³ Ruth Marcus.

　　Welcome back to the program to both of you.

　　Ruth, I'm going to start with you.

　　This is the first sort of wide-ranging, full-blown news conference we have seen from this president in several weeks. What did you make of it overall?

　　RUTH MARCUS, The Washington Post: It was, as everybody has been saying, an extraordinary event.

　　And I think it had kind of three audiences. One audience was the president himself. I think he likes to do this sort of government by improv. He did campaign by improv. Now he's doing government by improv.

　　You could see him enjoying himself. I think it made him feel better. I think there is a core of Trump supporters who, as he said during the campaign, he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue. They are not rattled⁴ by anything they have seen. They're sticking with him, so they're happy to sort of see him back out there being Trump.

　　I thought it was less successful with the third audience, which is the most important. There are a bunch of people who are never going to be for Trump. Most Democrats⁵, polls show, will never be for Trump. But there are Trump voters and others who are kind of wigglers who I think would be very — certainly not reassured⁶ by this performance, not being reassured by hearing him say, contrary to all evidence, that this is a well-functioning machine that they're seeing in the beginning of this administration.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, was this a reassuring⁷ news conference or something else?

　　KRIS KOBACH, Kansas Secretary of State: I think, to many conservatives, many Republicans, it was reassuring, in the sense that this was the first time we have seen a president, a conservative president, really express vocally⁹ at a press conference the bias¹⁰ he feels and many of us feel has been given in the coverage¹¹ toward the Trump administration.

　　And so he's sort of holding the press' feet to the fire while he's taking their questions. And it's combative¹². It's interesting. I think you are going to see a lot more people tuning¹³ in to these press conferences.

　　It used to be that conservatives who were in government, like myself, we would get what we felt was unfair coverage, we'd go home, we would grumble¹⁴, we would complain about it, but we actually wouldn't say anything to the reporter or to the reporters while they're asking us additional questions.

　　He's very confrontational¹⁵. And I think that's refreshing¹⁶. So I think it actually is going to be good. And I think the public is going to take an interest in these press conferences much more so than in past presidencies¹⁷.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Ruth, it is the case this president goes on about the press virtually every chance he gets. We heard that today. It took up so much time in his news conference.

　　You and I know, as somebody — we have covered this for a long time. Every president feels that he has gotten unfair, dishonest coverage from the news media. Is there something quantitatively¹⁸, qualitatively¹⁹ different about the coverage of this president?

　　特朗普具有对抗性的风格会有助于他担任总统吗?

　　RUTH MARCUS: Absolutely, both quantitatively and qualitatively.

　　Other presidents behind the scenes mutter epithets²⁰ about us. He calls us the lowest form of human life to our face. Other presidents tried their best to go around the media that they don't think are expressing their views. President Trump just is — is just very, very vocal⁸ about that and much more — spends much more time being vocal about that.

　　The question that I have — certainly, I agree with Kris that this is must-see TV. If you're interested in ratings, if that's the test of a successful presidency²¹, this is — we're doing great here.

　　I don't think that's the test. And his basic argument was fake — to try to distract from the Russia story and the other bumps, you're all fake news.

　　But it can't simultaneously²² be that we're really upset about leaks and the news — that the leaked news is fake. And so that's where I thought his argument really fell short.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: What about that, Kris Kobach, this notion that you can say all day long that you're getting dishonest coverage, go after the press, but, in the end, does that help him govern?

　　KRIS KOBACH: Sorry. I missed — my earpiece — I missed the last part.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Does it help President Trump govern by spending so much time criticizing the news media?

　　KRIS KOBACH: So, that's a great question.

　　I think it may. And time will tell, because we haven't really seen a president challenging the press' coverage right after he gets it. And let's remember, it's a mixed bag. There are some programs. I think "PBS NewsHour" is very balanced and plays it down the middle, but there are other programs that do not.

　　And so I think we will see if it helps him govern. For example, the — let's take the example of the travel ban. Now, that was characterized by some media outlets²³ as a Muslim ban, which I think is an inaccurate²⁴ term. And I think most — any fair person would agree that's inaccurate.

　　It's a temporary travel ban on seven countries, which have majority Muslim population, but there are many, many other countries, the vast majority of the Muslim world is not covered.

　　And so that's an example where he then took the press to task, said, no, this is not fair coverage. And I think there has been more accurate coverage since then. So, it may help him govern, but I think it's going to be case by case. In some cases, it will. Maybe, in some cases, it won't.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Ruth, clearly, there were a number of other questions about contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia. He repeatedly said he wasn't aware of any such thing.

　　Does that put all those questions to rest?

　　RUTH MARCUS: The Trump administration only wishes that all those questions are put to rest.

　　What we know is that he was briefed about contacts between the campaign and intelligence officials. He says he's not aware of any, but there are clearly things out there.

　　He got — this story about General Flynn, who he says was terribly treated by us in the news media, yet he fired him because he was misleading about these contacts. I think we're just beginning to get the beginnings of the story about what has really happened with Russia and with General Flynn and possibly with the Trump campaign.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Secretary Kris Kobach, again secretary of state of Kansas, what about this Russia question, just quickly?

　　We did hear, as Ruth just said, the president said, I would have told my national security adviser to be — to go ahead and talk to the Russian ambassador about sanctions.

　　But, if that's the case, why was that something that we now know — or apparently²⁵ Michael Flynn didn't level with the vice²⁶ president and others about?

　　KRIS KOBACH: I think I heard the question. Correct me. And, again, I apologize for the earpiece.

　　Look, I think the president is relating what he remembers and what he has understood to be the communications that he's aware of. And I think he was very clear, and I think it's correct, that the reasons for Mr. Flynn's departure — General Flynn's departure were a matter of trust, not a matter of any violation²⁷ of any law or a regulation.

　　So, I do think this particular one is being perhaps blown — and I think the president was frustrated²⁸ by the press coverage, which really seems to be making quite a mountain out of maybe not a molehill, but not a mountain, blowing this particular personnel question way out of proportion.

　　JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, he went on for an hour and 17 minutes. Much more to discuss.

　　Thank you both for being here, Ruth Marcus, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach.

1 adviser   

n.劝告者，顾问

参考例句：

• They employed me as an adviser.他们聘请我当顾问。
• Our department has engaged a foreign teacher as phonetic adviser.我们系已经聘请了一位外籍老师作为语音顾问。

2 trump   

n.王牌，法宝；v.打出王牌，吹喇叭

参考例句：

• He was never able to trump up the courage to have a showdown.他始终鼓不起勇气摊牌。
• The coach saved his star player for a trump card.教练保留他的明星选手，作为他的王牌。

3 columnist   

n.专栏作家

参考例句：

• The host was interviewing a local columnist.节目主持人正在同一位当地的专栏作家交谈。
• She's a columnist for USA Today.她是《今日美国报》的专栏作家。

4 rattled   

慌乱的，恼火的

参考例句：

• The truck jolted and rattled over the rough ground. 卡车嘎吱嘎吱地在凹凸不平的地面上颠簸而行。
• Every time a bus went past, the windows rattled. 每逢公共汽车经过这里，窗户都格格作响。

5 democrats   

n.民主主义者，民主人士( democrat的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• The Democrats held a pep rally on Capitol Hill yesterday. 民主党昨天在国会山召开了竞选誓师大会。
• The democrats organize a filibuster in the senate. 民主党党员组织了阻挠议事。 来自《简明英汉词典》

6 reassured   

adj.使消除疑虑的；使放心的v.再保证，恢复信心( reassure的过去式和过去分词)

参考例句：

• The captain's confidence during the storm reassured the passengers. 在风暴中船长的信念使旅客们恢复了信心。 来自《现代英汉综合大词典》
• The doctor reassured the old lady. 医生叫那位老妇人放心。 来自《简明英汉词典》

7 reassuring   

a.使人消除恐惧和疑虑的，使人放心的

参考例句：

• He gave her a reassuring pat on the shoulder. 他轻拍了一下她的肩膀让她放心。
• With a reassuring pat on her arm, he left. 他鼓励地拍了拍她的手臂就离开了。

8 vocal   

adj.直言不讳的；嗓音的；n.[pl.]声乐节目

参考例句：

• The tongue is a vocal organ.舌头是一个发音器官。
• Public opinion at last became vocal.终于舆论哗然。

9 vocally   

adv. 用声音, 用口头, 藉著声音

参考例句：

• She is not SCREAMER or MOANER - She is VOCALLY APPRECIATIVE. 她并不乱叫或发牢骚，只是用声音表示喜怒。
• The left has been vocally against. 左派力量一直竭力声讨。

10 bias   

n.偏见，偏心，偏袒；vt.使有偏见

参考例句：

• They are accusing the teacher of political bias in his marking.他们在指控那名教师打分数有政治偏见。
• He had a bias toward the plan.他对这项计划有偏见。

11 coverage   

n.报导，保险范围，保险额，范围，覆盖

参考例句：

• There's little coverage of foreign news in the newspaper.报纸上几乎没有国外新闻报道。
• This is an insurance policy with extensive coverage.这是一项承保范围广泛的保险。

12 combative   

adj.好战的；好斗的

参考例句：

• Mr. Obama has recently adopted a more combative tone.奥巴马总统近来采取了一种更有战斗性的语调。
• She believes that women are at least as combative as are.她相信女性至少和男性一样好斗。

13 tuning   

n.调谐，调整，调音v.调音( tune的现在分词 )；调整；（给收音机、电视等）调谐；使协调

参考例句：

• They are tuning up a plane on the flight line. 他们正在机场的飞机跑道上调试一架飞机。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• The orchestra are tuning up. 管弦乐队在定弦。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》

14 grumble   

vi.抱怨；咕哝；n.抱怨，牢骚；咕哝，隆隆声

参考例句：

• I don't want to hear another grumble from you.我不愿再听到你的抱怨。
• He could do nothing but grumble over the situation.他除了埋怨局势之外别无他法。

15 confrontational   

adj.挑衅的；对抗的

参考例句：

• Fans love rappers partly because they strike such a confrontational pose. 乐迷热爱这些饶舌艺人一定程度上是因为他们所采取的那种战斗姿态。 来自互联网
• You prefer a non confrontational approach when it comes to resolving disputes. 面对争端，你不喜欢采用对抗性的手段来解决。 来自互联网

16 refreshing   

adj.使精神振作的，使人清爽的，使人喜欢的

参考例句：

• I find it'so refreshing to work with young people in this department.我发现和这一部门的青年一起工作令人精神振奋。
• The water was cold and wonderfully refreshing.水很涼，特别解乏提神。

17 presidencies   

n.总统的职位( presidency的名词复数 )；总统的任期

参考例句：

• The Dalai Lama previously visited the island during the presidencies of Chen Shui-bian and Lee Teng-hui. 曾经获得诺贝尔和平奖的达赖喇嘛，此前曾在李登辉和陈水扁主政期间访问台湾。 来自互联网

18 quantitatively   

adv.数量上

参考例句：

• With the ease, radiation detectors can be used semi-quantitatively in the field. 使用射线探测器可以很方便地进行野外半定量测定。 来自辞典例句
• In other words, you are to analyze them quantitatively and qualitatively. 换句话说，你们要对它们进行量和质的分析。 来自辞典例句

19 qualitatively   

质量上

参考例句：

• In other words, you are to analyze them quantitatively and qualitatively. 换句话说，你们要对它们进行量和质的分析。
• Electric charge may be detected qualitatively by sprinkling or blowing indicating powders. 静电荷可以用撒布指示粉剂的方法，予以探测。

20 epithets   

n.（表示性质、特征等的）词语( epithet的名词复数 )

参考例句：

• He insulted me, using rude epithets. 他用粗话诅咒我。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• He cursed me, using a lot of rude epithets. 他用上许多粗鲁的修饰词来诅咒我。 来自辞典例句

21 presidency   

n.总统(校长，总经理)的职位(任期)

参考例句：

• Roosevelt was elected four times to the presidency of the United States.罗斯福连续当选四届美国总统。
• Two candidates are emerging as contestants for the presidency.两位候选人最终成为总统职位竞争者。

22 simultaneously   

adv.同时发生地，同时进行地

参考例句：

• The radar beam can track a number of targets almost simultaneously.雷达波几乎可以同时追着多个目标。
• The Windows allow a computer user to execute multiple programs simultaneously.Windows允许计算机用户同时运行多个程序。

23 outlets   

n.出口( outlet的名词复数 )；经销店；插座；廉价经销店

参考例句：

• The dumping of foreign cotton blocked outlets for locally grown cotton. 外国棉花的倾销阻滞了当地生产的棉花的销路。 来自《简明英汉词典》
• They must find outlets for their products. 他们必须为自己的产品寻找出路。 来自《现代汉英综合大词典》

24 inaccurate   

adj.错误的，不正确的，不准确的

参考例句：

• The book is both inaccurate and exaggerated.这本书不但不准确，而且夸大其词。
• She never knows the right time because her watch is inaccurate.她从来不知道准确的时间因为她的表不准。

25 apparently   

adv.显然地；表面上，似乎

参考例句：

• An apparently blind alley leads suddenly into an open space.山穷水尽，豁然开朗。
• He was apparently much surprised at the news.他对那个消息显然感到十分惊异。

26 vice   

n.坏事；恶习；[pl.]台钳，老虎钳；adj.副的

参考例句：

• He guarded himself against vice.他避免染上坏习惯。
• They are sunk in the depth of vice.他们堕入了罪恶的深渊。

27 violation   

n.违反(行为)，违背(行为)，侵犯

参考例句：

• He roared that was a violation of the rules.他大声说，那是违反规则的。
• He was fined 200 dollars for violation of traffic regulation.他因违反交通规则被罚款200美元。

28 frustrated   

adj.挫败的，失意的，泄气的v.使不成功( frustrate的过去式和过去分词 )；挫败；使受挫折；令人沮丧

参考例句：

• It's very easy to get frustrated in this job. 这个工作很容易令人懊恼。
• The bad weather frustrated all our hopes of going out. 恶劣的天气破坏了我们出行的愿望。 来自《简明英汉词典》